Pork-barrel politics put troops at risk

Chances are slim and none for several reasons , not just the biggest ; Bush will veto it .

Politicians come from the same cloth liberal, conservative, dems or repugs they are all alike...politics 101....politicians will support the interests that brings them the most chance of getting the most votes with the least costs...its called pluralism...the battle of interest groups ....back home we just call the old boy system...
..pork barrel politics are pork barrel politics...like bridges to nowhere...overcharges on services and goods sent to Iraq, top prices paid for inferior goods and $45 for a $20 worht of sodas....and how long did it take to get body armor and armor upgrades to the troops during the repubs domination of the congress..neither of them impresses me worth a d*** right now

Some of those things you mentioned seem like worthy efforts but you are right..if the spending is justified it should be debated and funded on its own worth...

you know both sides share blame for the war effort in general but the things going on ontop of Capitol Hill in the last three months are unprecidented.

24 Billion in Pork, aimed at congressional districts where Democratic congressmen wouldn't have otherwise uspported this bill.

A Global Warming meeting where Al Gore stood in the lobby refusing to hear the opening arguments of the opositions (nice one Al, real grown up)

A man who was caught with $90K or bribe money in his freezer involved in Ethics reform.

All the while all the things the Dems ran on (social security reform, medicare, etc) aren't even touched.

Tell me how does a government where the Executive and the Legislative are opposed work effeciently for the well being of the people?, I know there is democracy, but is there progress for the citizens? Would not one veto the other just so they don't recieve proper recognition and thus effect a future election? Do the people support the views or the members?

Well it works like this

Both parties tell the public what they want to hear to get elected, then they (all of them at least to some extend) abandon what they said they would do in favor of the best interest of their affiliation.

Right now so far as I can tell the supreme goal of the DNC is to impeach Bush before he leaves office so the Democrats can say "Gotcha Back" for the Clinton Impeachment. Secondary to that is there dream that they will be able to make the GOP look a evil as they can heading into the 2008 elections.

They (the dems) are already starting to sour in the mouths of the moderates though.

This is a power play by the Democrats. They knew ahead of time that Bush would veto any bill with time limits on the troop deployment. This was intentional so that it forces the Iraq war to the forefront of the political hysteria just in time for the 2008 election ramp up. They know it will cause a major funding snafu for the military, which the Democrats will then blame on Bush for not signing the bill and giving troops the money they need. I can hear the Dems now........" we wanted to give the troops all the money they needed but Bush veto'd it, it his lack of support for the troops that caused this...." meanwhile the Dems financial backstabbing will be getting troops killed, just so they can get more votes. This War may not be the popular thing to do, but then again, when was doing the right thing the popular thing.

There are three entities involved , not just two . The Judicial branch is the third . The founding fathers designed it this way so that no one branch could control things . The ever-changing make-up of government ( at least in 2 and 4 year cycles) makes it work . As the people's desires change , so will ( or should ) the government , quite unlike parts of Europe , South America , and elsewhere , where the governing bodies are built up of coalitions which fail and cause governmental shake ups at any time . I am glad our system is as it is , and hasn't truly failed us yet .
The people benefit by this system because policy evolves from the debate among the branches of government to arrive close to the will of the citizens.

Supporting the troops is something that neither the dems nor the republicans do - and don't believe anything different just because they say so - watch what they do and not what they say. To them and the other leaders of this country the troops are mere cannon fodder to them and this IS NOT SUPPORTING OUR TROOPS.

Supporting the troops don't mean, "Boy, we are going to send you over to fight an illegal, immorral and unwinnable war - based on a pack of lies"
Supporting the troops don't mean, "Boy, we are going to send you to fight a war understaffed, ill-equipped and untrained."
Supporting the troops don't mean, "Boy, when you get injured we are going to be putting your injured ass in a moldy, rat hole, with cochroaches and the crazies."
Supporting the troops don't mean, "Boy, we hope you like dumpster diving because that is what you will need to do to armour those humvees."
Supporting the troops don't mean, "Boy, your leaders are about as untrained as you are so watch out for friendly fire."
Supporting the troops don't mean, "Boy, we hope you like torturing people because that is what you will be doing and if you don't do it you will be in trouble and if you do do it and you get caught we will leave you holding the bag and call you the bad apple."
Supporting the troops don't mean, "Boy, We hope when you come home you don't need decent medical care - because you aint getting it."
Supporting the troops don't mean, Boy, when you make it home, if you make it home, we hope you aren't expecting financial assistance, job placement or psychological care because you aren't getting that either."
Supporting the troops don't mean, "Boy, we know that you only signed up for a certain amount of time - and we know you already been to Iraq a few times but you are going again - like it or not - and if you don't we will put you in jail - "
Supporting the troops don't mean "Boy, we can't get you those bullet proof vests because we gotta pay our buddies the racketeering contractors who don't do crap for you or the reconstruction efforts - we will spend your parents tax dollars and every other american tax dollars the way we want not the way that is best for you."
Supporting the troops don't mean, "Boy, we don't want to be unsupportive of you and leave you high and dry so we are going to give the GOP another blank check so you can still kill or be killed - because we still all have money to make"

No NO NO people supporting the troops is something that neither party does - and making money off of our soldiers dead backs and spilt blood along with the blood of the iraqi people is WRONG - it's not something I consider supportive at all and you look for yourselves - it's something that almost aLL leaders from both sides of the fence is doing - and I AM NOT HAPPY!

Whose doing what in Iraq - watching the castle while halliburton gets their billion dollar embassy contract done on time and within budget for the first time ever in Iraq on any reconstruction effort the entire time we have been there - they are protecting the contractors - Then there is those pipe lines -the oil companies are making record breaking profits in the all time history - of not just the oil industry but of any industry in the entire history of the united states and we are all paying record breaking gas prices - and our soldiers continue dieing - no one wins but the leaders - Something is wrong with this picture.

Politics is politics is politics....It has always been that way to a degree...but now it has somehow become the rule rather than the exception,,,the system is broke