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@GoodBoy,

GoodBoy;8045 wrote:

I ran across this on another site and I pray its not true. Its calling for peace talks without Israel. It scares the crap outta me to think that we would throw Israel under the bus. I can't believe Bush would do it but I dunno.
If he does, I believe it will be the beginning of the end.

Kilo Echo 4: I was right on the money!!!

Why would this upset you? Israel has attacked every Arab in the region. They aren't part of peace anymore than Bush is. I think it makes sense to have the Arabs talk peace and get the Al-Qaida element out of the region. Israel is not part of any of that process.

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@Curmudgeon,

The Arabs don't want Al-Qaida out of the region. They welcome it. They want to blow themselves up in the name of Allah. They want nothing more than Israel wiped off the face of the earth. So no, the Arabs should not be left to talk "peace" on their own.

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@Willie cv,

Willie;8122 wrote:

Why would this upset you? Israel has attacked every Arab in the region. They aren't part of peace anymore than Bush is. I think it makes sense to have the Arabs talk peace and get the Al-Qaida element out of the region. Israel is not part of any of that process.

A better saying is "ever arab country in the region has attacked isreal" Funny you negate to reflect that? Every instance you can come up with saying it was isreal i can come up with an instance where they were attacked first. Got rockets, will travel.

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@Curmudgeon,

When America Takes their hand off of Israel.. we are done for as a nation.

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@Curmudgeon,

Agreed.

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@Brent cv,

Brent;8123 wrote:

The Arabs don't want Al-Qaida out of the region. They welcome it. They want to blow themselves up in the name of Allah. They want nothing more than Israel wiped off the face of the earth. So no, the Arabs should not be left to talk "peace" on their own.

That's a far too simplified and inaccurate view of what's going on.

Not all the people in that region are arabs, there's tons of other ethnic groups.

Not all arabs, even, are muslims. Not all muslims are sunni, and Al Qaeda is vowed to
destroy the ones that aren't eventually.

There are lots of Palestinian Christians, who have been treated the worst by
everyone.

There are lots of Lebanese Christians, and Syrian Christians... Why has the
U.S. ever addressed that? Israelis kill Christians and destroy Christian landmarks all the time when attacking these areas... just collateral damage?

Both sides are just as bad, and more than a little insane.

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@Curmudgeon,

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There are lots of Lebanese Christians, and Syrian Christians... Why has the
U.S. ever addressed that?

In world war two we were fighting alot of german christians. Why was not much said then? Simple, even Christians can and some times are the enemy.

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There are lots of Lebanese Christians, and Syrian Christians... Why has the
U.S. ever addressed that?

We have, the justice department has sent travel warnings and statement that any person not willing to be killed, get out.

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Israelis kill Christians and destroy Christian landmarks all the time when attacking these areas... just collateral damage?

Do you have proof to the contrary?

Both sides are just as bad? I think "That's a far too simplified and inaccurate view of what's going on."

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@Drnaline,

We aren't winning anything.There is such a thing as winning a battle, but losing the war. Vietnam was a good example of that.

There will be no declared victory in Iraq.

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@Curmudgeon,

We've won ever battle we've engauged in Iraq. We didn't lose in Vietnam, we pulled out. And left millions to die from the communist agressors. Of which were of your mentality. That same mentality that wants our troops home now. Don't blame the yellow streak of pulling out on our troops, they've lost nothing, but your faith in them. There are plenty here who make up for you and your kind. But as we know those who whine loudest get heard the mostest.

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There will be no declared victory in Iraq.

There probably won't be because people like you will not allow it.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;8143 wrote:

We've won ever battle we've engauged in Iraq. We didn't lose in Vietnam, we pulled out. And left millions to die from the communist agressors. Of which were of your mentality. That same mentality that wants our troops home now. Don't blame the yellow streak of pulling out on our troops, they've lost nothing, but your faith in them. There are plenty here who make up for you and your kind. But as we know those who whine loudest get heard the mostest.

There probably won't be because people like you will not allow it.

Be careful, you're getting your keyboard wet.:baby:

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@Curmudgeon,

Not as wet as the moisture behind your ears.
And the next post you'll say we should get back on topic right?

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@Curmudgeon,

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We've won ever battle we've engauged in Iraq. We didn't lose in Vietnam

Define victory.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;8149 wrote:

Not as wet as the moisture behind your ears.
And the next post you'll say we should get back on topic right?

My next post will be to correct your comment that we didn't lose in Vietnam. We lost that war.

After we "cut and run" in Vietnam the country stabilized. Our interference made matters worse.Sound familiar?

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@Curmudgeon,

What about those few million that got killed stabilizing it? We didn't lose in vietnam. South Vietnam did. Through the cut and run of your breathren. Sound familiar? Our interference came at the request of the south. We stopped the communist agression in Korea, we would of done in Vietnam. No thanks to you and your kind.
I'll wait for your explanation on where and how "we lost that war?"

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@markx15,

markx15;8151 wrote:

Define victory.

1. a success or triumph over an enemy in battle or war.
2. an engagement ending in such triumph
3. the ultimate and decisive superiority in any battle or contest
4. a success or superior position achieved against any opponent, opposition, difficulty, etc.

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@Curmudgeon,

Jews Wake Up! A view of the ISG.

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@Brent cv,

Brent;8123 wrote:

The Arabs don't want Al-Qaida out of the region. They welcome it. They want to blow themselves up in the name of Allah. They want nothing more than Israel wiped off the face of the earth. So no, the Arabs should not be left to talk "peace" on their own.

Sure they should...how many Israeli summits have included them with us? This is their region, not ours.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;8154 wrote:

1. a success or triumph over an enemy in battle or war.
2. an engagement ending in such triumph
3. the ultimate and decisive superiority in any battle or contest
4. a success or superior position achieved against any opponent, opposition, difficulty, etc.

Who was our enemy in Iraq? How did they attack us? What position is superior for the Iraqis under Bush's pre-emptive strike policy to attack who he wants and when he wants. How has our economy benefited from this war and how has the Iraqi economy benefited from Bush's little war?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline;8153 wrote:

What about those few million that got killed stabilizing it? We didn't lose in vietnam. South Vietnam did. Through the cut and run of your breathren. Sound familiar? Our interference came at the request of the south. We stopped the communist agression in Korea, we would of done in Vietnam. No thanks to you and your kind.
I'll wait for your explanation on where and how "we lost that war?"

Nixon pulled what you call the "cut and run" from Viet Nam. Maybe you should read some information from KNOWLEDGE based sources and not the obvious PROPAGANDA based sources you are now..

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Course, you had this information at your disposal and just chose to do the republican thingy....lie!

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@Willie cv,

Willie;8220 wrote:

Who was our enemy in Iraq? How did they attack us? What position is superior for the Iraqis under Bush's pre-emptive strike policy to attack who he wants and when he wants. How has our economy benefited from this war and how has the Iraqi economy benefited from Bush's little war?

Of course the stated enemy was the terrorists and Sadam for what he's done to his people.

What's scary is that most people can just parrot this phrase and move on. Let me work back to front. If we took out Sadam because of what he did to his people, why aren't we in Darfur? Why didn't we stop Rwanda or the Khmer Rouge? America doesn't attack to stop a genocide, it acts in it's own interest. Most of us can live with that, some of us can't. But if we hadn't attacked Iraq couldn't we bring more muscle to bear on Iran, who just held a conference denying the Holocaust and calling for the destruction of Israel.

As to the terrorists, they haven't attacked here, Bush is right. Instead they're being democratically elected in Lebanon (Hezbolah) and Palestine (Hamas). So instead of attacking the U.S. directly, they are attempting to and succeeding in, taking over countries. Don't people realize that Iraq is the next in line for take over? What happens when Iraq becomes a Democracy, and votes in "terrorists" just like Palestine?

This war's been bad all around. Everybody knows it.

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