Is Homosexuality a Choice?

I thinks that's true, but irrelevant to the marriage debate. You can be homosexual, but marriage (as we know it) is a Christian institution. Homosexuality in most of Christianity is a sin. Therefore, get a civil union or something, but don't defile our institution.

Well, let's narrow it down to Catholicism where it's unacceptable to get a divorce without annulment, there you go. That's all I care about.

we're getting off topic, gay marriage is something else all together.

I think marriage or for Heterosexuals, it's a religious institution that doesn't accept gays in an abstract way like the Boy Scouts. thats not to say that Homosexuals shouldn't have a "civil union", legally accepted equal to marriage. But to call it marriage is disrespectful to the tradition IMO.

I agree. Call it what you want. As long as legal equality covers everyone (those who wish to form a union with another). I can see where the word "marriage" may be at the crux of the disagreement.

another part of it is the misconception that all homosexuals are swingers and will therefor ruin marriage. I've seen allot of the world and I can say that the only basis that can be found here is in homosexual men. I've seen straight swingers and I've seen devoted lesbian partner who are productive Americans and aren't out "recruiting" (I'm still laughing about that).

If by identify you mean: To establish the identity of.

If by identity you mean: set of behavioral or personal characteristics by which an individual is recognizable as a member of a group.

Then if I were to identify myself by my sexual preference, which I do not. My sexual partner preference is women who were born that way. I believe I would be associated with the heterosexual group of people.

However, if there is a heterosexual group who's primary tenent is to establish groups of people in categories of gay and anti-gay. I would not be associated with that group.

I do not define "pro-hetero as anti-gay". As a heterosexual, I do not consider people in terms of their sexual preference. Nor I do I agree with the "idea" that because one defines themseleves as heterosexual, you are therefore automatically against others whose sexual preference you do not attribute with yourself.

And exactly what is the process you use to make you decisions. Yes, whatever that is, I agree, that is a choice.

I chose to live in a homosexually dominated culture

In Roman Chap 1 verses 21 says "for although they new God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles. Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exhanged natural relations for unnatural and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a base mind and no improper conduct. They were filled with all manner of wickedness, evil, covetousness, malice. full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity, they are gossips,slanderers, haters of God, insolent, gaughry, boasful, inventors of evil....."

I believe its not a choice but because of the above....

but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man or birds or animals or reptiles.

another part of it is the misconception that all homosexuals are swingers and will therefor ruin marriage. I've seen allot of the world and I can say that the only basis that can be found here is in homosexual men. I've seen straight swingers and I've seen devoted lesbian partner who are productive Americans and aren't out "recruiting" (I'm still laughing about that).

another part of it is the misconception that all homosexuals are swingers

I thinks that's true, but irrelevant to the marriage debate. You can be homosexual, but marriage (as we know it) is a Christian institution. Homosexuality in most of Christianity is a sin. Therefore, get a civil union or something, but don't defile our institution.

Certainly. I could maybe expand it. People lack empathy. Unfortunately, some feel the strong need to categorize and label people based on the actions of individual members of their same group. Maybe it's the easist way to make assumptions.

if marrage is a christian thing, and the constitution guarentees sep of church and state how can the gov ban gay gay marrage? besides with the divorce rate now days gays couldn't do much worse than hetero marriages. Also as I undestand equality is just that not equality for heteros and not gays. As far as is it a choice or not it's mostly not a choice. No diffrent then why do some guys like girls with big boob and some guys like girls with itty bittys.

No diffrent then why do some guys like girls with big boob and some guys like girls with itty bittys.

Nope, Marriage is a religious thing not just Christian. The Constitution does no such thing as garrantee any kind of separation. If you can show me where in it is says that you are a better man then I.

No different? What they are expressing is personal choice or preference. Do you not think that is making a choice?

by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment of the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted and endorsed by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878

James Madison, the principal drafter of the United States Bill of Rights, who often wrote of "total separation of the church from the state" (1819 letter to Robert Walsh). "Strongly guarded . . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States," Madison wrote, and he declared, "practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States"