Arrests made in church fires

That is not proof. That is coinciendence until you bring other information forward to proof that they did do it because of hate toward baptists.



Pretty good. Especially if they were trying to throw off police after they realized that the first church they burned gained media attention. That first just happened to be baptist so now they targetted Baptists to make it sound like a hate crime. A hate crime would throw off police in their mind since they have no previous history of hating baptists.

In my mind that is just as valid of a reason as any of them right now. You do not know what was going on in their head anymore than I do. I just fail to see a bunch of kids targetting baptists only. Doesn't make sense.



Again no proof to back that up other than they were all Baptists. Only thing you got. The police even ruled out they were targetted for their denomination

That is not proof. That is coinciendence until you bring other information forward to proof that they did do it because of hate toward baptists.

Pretty good. Especially if they were trying to throw off police after they realized that the first church they burned gained media attention.

That first just happened to be baptist so now they targetted Baptists to make it sound like a hate crime.

I just fail to see a bunch of kids targetting baptists only.

Again no proof to back that up other than they were all Baptists. Only thing you got.

hate crime
n. A crime motivated by prejudice against a social group

I'm not following you.

Do you believe that it was a hate crime because it was churches that were targeted or because it was primarily Baptist?

The reason churches were burned that were out of the area was because they were trying to throw police off the trail. If they hadn't tried to throw police off, then they would have all been in the same area. The reasons that the later churches were burned were not the same as the reasons the first ones were.

Do you believe that it was a hate crime because it was churches that were targeted or because it was primarily Baptist?

The reason churches were burned that were out of the area was because they were trying to throw police off the trail.

If they hadn't tried to throw police off, then they would have all been in the same area.

The reasons that the later churches were burned were not the same as the reasons the first ones were.

You still haven't proven (to me) the prejudice involved.

It depends on what you would consider a 'social group' to involve. Are Americans a social group? Too broad? I think that's a personal differentiation that must be made.

These boys will not be tried on hate crime charges, imo. We'll see, but I don't see it happening. I've explained to you why I think all the churches were Baptist, and if we can't agree, we're going to agree to disagree.

They won't be tried for hate crimes because most think if it's against critstians it ok.

But if it were another social group like mulims or jews i think you would get a different charge?

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It WOULD NOT have been against muslims or jews because there are not 10 muslim or jewish establishments of worship in birmingham alabama! It is a REALLY simple concept to grasp I just believe you want to make it out that Christians are just getting slapped around and abused :dunno:

The FACT is that Baptist churches are a DIME A DOZEN in Birmingham Alabama. It is NOT unusual that the churches they burned were baptists because these churches are the most common in the area.

It WOULD NOT have been against muslims or jews because there are not 10 muslim or jewish establishments of worship in birmingham alabama!

It is a REALLY simple concept to grasp I just believe you want to make it out that Christians are just getting slapped around and abused.

The FACT is that Baptist churches are a DIME A DOZEN in Birmingham Alabama. It is NOT unusual that the churches they burned were baptists because these churches are the most common in the area.

OK, If there was one muslim mosque in AL, would it be a hate crime? Now if there were two and it happened to both would it be a hate crime? What about three? Still the same? What about ten? Baptists are the only ones perpitrated. I'm sure there are many demominations in AL, Why did only baptists get hit?

Not just Christians in this case, Baptist Christians are the ones being persecuted.

Dime a dozen does not explind why it is not a hate crime by definition.

You have NOT proven the hate. You have NOT given me any information on these three guys and their background.



Give me a break. Persecuted? That is laughable.



You have not PROVEN hate in this crime. Your only evidence is the churches that were burned down were Baptist. You have not even begin to dig into who these kids were. You know nothing of them. What you want is to draw attention to Christians and make them out to be targetted victims by a couple of rich kids with nothing better to do.

Give me a break. Persecuted? That is laughable.

You have not PROVEN hate in this crime. Your only evidence is the churches that were burned down were Baptist.

You have not even begin to dig into who these kids were.

You know nothing of them.

What you want is to draw attention to Christians and make them out to be targetted victims by a couple of rich kids with nothing better to do.

I know they like to play with fire, and don't mind if a few crosses get burned in the process. God fearing aren't they?

I didn't draw attention to them, they did by liting a few fires. I did not target the Baptist churches, they did. They new who the victums were before hand and decide they would all be baptists. Nothing better to do whould have alot to do with not destroying other peoples property, muchless sacred property. Think they new that before hand or are they that stupid and still yet in college?

Exactly because no one here knows what their motive is. I never said I DID KNOW what the motive is. I am mearly trying to explain that to Drnaline yet he is hell bent on them being out for Baptists. He thinks the media is out to kill christians and I don't.

I am taking what we are given and saying no it is not a crime that targeted just Baptists.

Drnaline is taking the only evidence of them being all Baptists in an area where Baptist churches are a OVERWHELMING MAJORITY and saying it is a hate crime with NOTHING more to back that up. I am mearily disagreeing and trying to make him show us something more to back up his statement if he wants to say it is a hate crime.

It is pretty obvious that the Christian arguing this is going to want it to be a hate crime because it targets his religion. I do not see it that way. These kids have no history of hating just Baptists.

If there was enough evidence to try them for a hate crime which under Alabama law the sole intention of them burning those churches down was to prevent people from congregating and worshipping together the State of Alabama and the media would be bringing this out.

Yet we are not seeing this, unless of course Drnaline wants to jump into the conspiracy boat and join all the radical left wing nutjobs who thrive on conspiracy theories.

Exactly because no one here knows what their motive is. I never said I DID KNOW what the motive is. I am mearly trying to explain that to Drnaline yet he is hell bent on them being out for Baptists. He thinks the media is out to kill christians and I don't.

I am taking what we are given and saying no it is not a crime that targeted just Baptists.

Drnaline is taking the only evidence of them being all Baptists in an area where Baptist churches are a OVERWHELMING MAJORITY and saying it is a hate crime with NOTHING more to back that up. I am mearily disagreeing and trying to make him show us something more to back up his statement if he wants to say it is a hate crime.

It is pretty obvious that the Christian arguing this is going to want it to be a hate crime because it targets his religion. I do not see it that way. These kids have no history of hating just Baptists.

If there was enough evidence to try them for a hate crime which under Alabama law the sole intention of them burning those churches down was to prevent people from congregating and worshipping together the State of Alabama and the media would be bringing this out.

Yet we are not seeing this, unless of course Drnaline wants to jump into the conspiracy boat and join all the radical left wing nutjobs who thrive on conspiracy theories.

Not enough to convict on a hate crime. You love to take the law literally in every arguement on here except ones that target your belief. Then its ok to read into the law and decide that it is something that will side with your belief



A lot of stupid people are in College. Again you have no proof, just speculation based on coincidence. Nothing that will make a Jury convict them of a hate crime.

Prove to me they knew the first church they were going to burn was going to be a Baptist.

Prove to me that the news reports of them being drunk while hunting and coming across that first church was not what really happened and the media is covering up the real motives! Prove to me any of that as false. You can't.

Prove that the first church they burned was targeted and not a church that just happened to come across while hunting.

Not enough to convict on a hate crime. You love to take the law literally in every arguement on here except ones that target your belief. Then its ok to read into the law and decide that it is something that will side with your belief

A lot of stupid people are in College. Again you have no proof, just speculation based on coincidence. Nothing that will make a Jury convict them of a hate crime.

Prove to me they knew the first church they were going to burn was going to be a Baptist.

Prove to me that the news reports of them being drunk while hunting and coming across that first church was not what really happened and the media is covering up the real motives! Prove to me any of that as false. You can't.

Prove that the first church they burned was targeted and not a church that just happened to come across while hunting.

Prove that the first church they burned was targeted....

..... and not a church that just happened to come across while hunting.

To be perfectly honest, I can't prove that the first church was targeted... but then again, you can't prove it wasn't, can you?

did they "just happen" to come across all the other churches that were Baptist as well? hmmm...

Please show me where I didn't take it literally? And most laws side with my beliefs, It's called moral majority and is how this country is governed and how it's laws are made.


No proof, they arrested all three and maybe more from a set of tire tracks. I think the cops had proof of them doing something. Speculation didn't start those fires.


The big sign out front that said "Baptist Church". And probably all the other had them too.


Prove they were really drunk? I'll wait for you proof, if you can?

Proof that is wasn't. And then do the same for all the remaining ones.