Iran calls for Israel to "Be Wiped off the Map"

@Brent cv,

ugh in general i think the middle east is F'ed up beyond belief.

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@Brent cv,

For some reason i think Iran will beat Israel to there remark. I'm not saying i'm just saying.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline wrote:

For some reason i think Iran will beat Israel to there remark. I'm not saying i'm just saying.

Not for a long time.

We can not afford another war period

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@Brent cv,

Your forgetting about all our trusted allys, who knows maybe even france will fight in that one?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline wrote:

Your forgetting about all our trusted allys, who knows maybe even france will fight in that one?

lmao our trusted allies? Where are these trusted allies now? They are sititng on their asses not doing **** while we lose more soldiers everyday.

How can we trust these people?

France? They can kiss my ass, they are no one to be trusted.
Germany? Nope
Russia? Yea right
Spain? Not now....
China? haha yea.....
Japan? Possibly.... they are helping us now but the help is small

If we go to war again with yet another Country it will be the United States fronting all the soldiers and it will be the United States losing the most Soldiers.

Sorry but I am against any new war until we have full pullout of Iraq and Afganastan and we get our **** straight in America.

I was for Iraq, I was for Afganastan but until Iran starts knocking on their neighbors doors or until we catch them red handed developing an actual WOMD we should stay the Middle East.

None of this bullshit about how we think they might have weapons.

If we invade another country and the main reason for going into this country is because they are seeking womd then we damn well better be able to find these weapons when we get in there and we damn well better not let the United Nations delay us for 13 years

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@Brent cv,

France is the one the drew up the paper for sanctions against Iran. We ain't losing as many as they are by far. Is there an ingaugement they have won?

We are the ones always fronting and putting in all the fight. It's in our nature.

We will never have a full pullout in Afgan or Iraq. Just like we never left Germany, Japan, South Korea or any other place we fought in.

By knocking on a door do you mean a few million jews dead by that infamous mushroom cloud? We won't wait to see if they have one just like we didn't wait to see if Saddam had one.

Nobody said any thing about invading, just place a few guides bombs in the right place will do the trick. If you ask me now we have enough provocation now to do a little damage. We won't be able to find WOMD's they will be in a million little tinny pieces.

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@Brent cv,

As far as seeking they already have a reactor, they already have plutonium they already threaten to wipe Israel of the map. I need no more.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline wrote:

France is the one the drew up the paper for sanctions against Iran. We ain't losing as many as they are by far. Is there an ingaugement they have won?

We are the ones always fronting and putting in all the fight. It's in our nature.

We will never have a full pullout in Afgan or Iraq. Just like we never left Germany, Japan, South Korea or any other place we fought in.

When I say full pullout I mean just like those wars. I realize we will never fully leave.

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By knocking on a door do you mean a few million jews dead by that infamous mushroom cloud?

That was not knocking on the door that was waiting way to long to act period. Knocking on the door happened way before that :wink:

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We won't wait to see if they have one just like we didn't wait to see if Saddam had one.

But we damn well better have some actual intelligence to stand by before we go invading a country and losing 2000+ of our soldiers and killing innocent people :uhh:

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Nobody said any thing about invading, just place a few guides bombs in the right place will do the trick.

Can you show me where a few well placed bombs stopped someone like Saddam and how that will stop Iran?

We place those bombs where we want them and we kill thousands of innocent people and then you have Iran invading their neighbors...

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline wrote:

As far as seeking they already have a reactor, they already have plutonium they already threaten to wipe Israel of the map. I need no more.

See you need no more but it simply does not work that way in this world!

You can not just go around pissing off the whole world as much as you and I would love to do this.

You have to have a strategy and you HAVE TO HAVE THE MAN POWER TO DO IT!

Our military is stretched thin! We do not pay them enough for starters and now we are even having a hard time recruiting!

We can not be invading other countries we have to look at alternatives.

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@Brent cv,

It's taken us almost four years to lose that many, there count i'm sure you can add at least one or two more zero's. We don't have to blow the reactor, just the government that controls it. That's where the well placed bomb comes in. Cut off the head the body will soon follow. If we kill thousands we are just living up to what the rest of the world thinks? And make the world a safer place. Would you rather Israel do it. And start WW3? I'd rather fight Iran and Syria then every Muslim nation, that is what will happen if Isreal is preemptive?

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@Brent cv,

"See you need no more but it simply does not work that way in this world!"
If that we the case we wouldn't be in Iraq. We already have pissed of the rest of the world. We have the stragedy and the manpower. And we are sitting at there front door. We don't need men on the ground, we can keep them plenty bussy from the air just like Desert Storm. Deplomacy has already failed, they made an open threat to some one who wishes them no ill. They repeatedly threaten to go ahead with there reactor when sanctions are already in place from before, of which they agreed to, just like Saddam and his failed 18 resolutions?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline wrote:

We won't wait to see if they have one just like we didn't wait to see if Saddam had one.

So you suggest we attack another country with little to no evidence? We have managed to piss off most of the world already by doing this, why are we going to try again? Plus as, Brent has said, we cant afford it. We don?t have the men, the tools, or the funding.

Drnaline wrote:

Nobody said any thing about invading, just place a few guides bombs in the right place will do the trick. If you ask me now we have enough provocation now to do a little damage. We won't be able to find WOMD's they will be in a million little tinny pieces.

Yeah right, that won?t do anything. How much good did operation Desert Fox do in 1998? You can?t win a fight with out putting people on the ground which is something we can?t do.

And is blowing up a plant full of biologics a good idea really??? And we don?t even have targets because if they have WMDs they don?t advertise where they have them.

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@Brent cv,

It is not us who are forcing the issue, they are. They agreed to not make plutonium, but low and behold they made some. What evidence are you willing to wait for? The wind drifts right down the med, if we don't do it Briton will.

We don't have to win the fight. Just get rid of the ragime. I'd rather blow it up over there then them blow it up over israel. And again we don't have to find them WMD's, just the guy with the trigger.

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline wrote:

They agreed to not make plutonium, but low and behold they made some. What evidence are you willing to wait for? The wind drifts right down the med, if we don't do it Briton will.

Ok why are winds changing directions and blowing north to south now? I would be a lot more concerned about this then any potential WMDs. And even with the way the Wind is truely blowing, how the hell would that affect the British? And by med I'm guessing you mean the Mediterranean sea?

And in Britain Tony Blairs approval rating is way down, and do you know why? I'll answer that for you, because of Iraq and his nations disapproval of the war. There is no way in hell they would follow us in to another Iraq.

Drnaline wrote:

We don't have to win the fight. Just get rid of the ragime. I'd rather blow it up over there then them blow it up over israel. And again we don't have to find them WMD's, just the guy with the trigger.

In order to get rid of any regime you have to win the fight, and install a new government. We can’t just take out a government and not replace it with anything.

This is just stupid to think that you can drop a couple bombs and expect to get rid of a government, and then on top of that have it be some what stable. How do you think you create terrorists? If you destabilize a country and then leave the people to die, don’t you think they would be a little angry and want to get a little revenge? How would they do that? By acts of terror on American soil.

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@oaktonarcher,

oaktonarcher wrote:

Ok why are winds changing directions and blowing north to south now? I would be a lot more concerned about this then any potential WMDs. And even with the way the Wind is truely blowing, how the hell would that affect the British? And by med I'm guessing you mean the Mediterranean sea?

And in Britain Tony Blairs approval rating is way down, and do you know why? I'll answer that for you, because of Iraq and his nations disapproval of the war. There is no way in hell they would follow us in to another Iraq.

In order to get rid of any regime you have to win the fight, and install a new government. We can?t just take out a government and not replace it with anything.

This is just stupid to think that you can drop a couple bombs and expect to get rid of a government, and then on top of that have it be some what stable. How do you think you create terrorists? If you destabilize a country and then leave the people to die, don?t you think they would be a little angry and want to get a little revenge? How would they do that? By acts of terror on American soil.

I said nothing of north to south, by down i ment the length of the Mediterainian. Nukaler fallout effects every one, including you. I like the way you sidestep them making plutonium, illegally i might add?

Approval ratings don't mean **** when you have a bunch of whiners that are the only ones voting. You must believe all the polls they have on CNN then? If his country was in disapproval why did they join us? Seems they were pretty gungho when it all started, as you probably were too? Not follow us, we may be following them? We don't have to worry about getting hit, they do. Time will tell who is right, care to wager a buck?

"In order to get rid of any regime you have to win the fight" By your statement you think we have won Iraq them? And Afganistan? We won't replace any thing, what is left will. So you think we installed the government that is there now in Iraq? Who stuffed all the ballot boxes, Halibutron? No Iraqi's did! Just like Iranians will.

Drop a couple of bombs to get rid of the trigger men not the government. I think the rest of what's left feels like the Iraqi's do, they want to be free. If they choose to install an other dictator we will do away with him too. We do not create terrorists, they create themselves by oppression and torture. That and promissing young boys that they will get to **** there brains out after there dead. Why else withhold sex and keep the sexes seperate? To control them is the answer i come up with.

Destabilization and leaving them to die is what happened in Vietnam, no such think has happened in Iraq or Afgan, but the liberals would have you believe otherwise. I see they got to you? "By acts of terror on American soil" Seems your a little selfcentered. You think it's all about us? There is a big wide world out there buddy. We are a small but rightious part, and are willing to die for what we believe. Don't forget others died so you can say what your saying, why won't you afford others that right? It's evident you don't think so if it costs you to much personally huh?

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@Drnaline,

Drnaline wrote:

Approval ratings don't mean crap

They do when you live in a country where you can be put up for election at any time.

Drnaline wrote:

If his country was in disapproval why did they join us? Seems they were pretty gungho when it all started

They were under the same impression as the rest of the world, being that Iraq had WMDs. And I would never say the British people were "gunho" for this war at all.

Drnaline wrote:

as you probably were too?

Nope I never liked this war, or in general any war. If you don?t believe me ask Brent about how I felt at that time.

Drnaline wrote:

Not follow us, we may be following them? We don't have to worry about getting hit, they do.

They to do not have the funds nor the men to sustain, yet another, war.

Drnaline wrote:

By your statement you think we have won Iraq them?And Afganistan?

Hahahaha not by a long shot bud, hell the fight in Afghanistan is just getting started.

Drnaline wrote:

We won't replace any thing, what is left will. So you think we installed the government that is there now in Iraq? Who stuffed all the ballot boxes, Halibutron? No Iraqi's did! Just like Iranians will.

Who installed the temporary government for over a year? ok so your suggesting that we blow stuff up from the sky (which wont work but that for a later argument) and then just walk away??? Leaving a massive power vacuum in our trail. If the world didn?t hate us already, that would do it. And can you imagine what would happen in Iraq if we did that? The bombing and shootings would go thought the roof.

Drnaline wrote:

Drop a couple of bombs to get rid of the trigger men not the government.

Ok that?s like saying "if we got rid of Hitler and the SS, but left the Nazi government in power. Everything would have been ok." and how much good did "dropping a couple bombs" do for us in 1998 with Desert Fox?

Drnaline wrote:

If they choose to install an other dictator we will do away with him too.

If they install another Dictator then that?s means they wanted a dictator, and if we take him out that would go against our own doctrines. Have you ever heard of the Truman doctrine? If so how would it apply here?

Drnaline wrote:

We do not create terrorists

Where do you think Bin laden came from? Hell we even trained and armed him!
And when the Russians left, we ditched, again leaving a massive power vacuum. This is where his hatred of the US came from. so saying we haven?t created terrorists is just up surd.

Drnaline wrote:

they create themselves by oppression and torture. That and promissing young boys that they will get to **** there brains out after there dead. Why else withhold sex and keep the sexes seperate? To control them is the answer i come up with.

or it could be traditional Islamic values from thousands of years ago? One or the other.

Drnaline wrote:

I see the got to you?

I call them as i see them, don?t call me a liberal.

Drnaline wrote:

Seems your a little selfcentered. You think it's all about us? There is a big wide world out there buddy. We are a small but rightious part, and are willing to die for what we believe.

First off, I don?t believe in it, so I?m not about to lie down my life for some Iraqi or Iranian that I have never met, do I know that they want me to. Many Iraqi's want us the hell out. And so your saying that should terrorism come to our land, it would be ok if it came because we attacked Iran?

Drnaline wrote:

Don't forget others died so you can say what your saying, why won't you afford others that right? It's evident you don't think so if it costs you to much personally huh?

Honestly, if it causes me or any of my family members to die, I couldn?t care less if some person in Iran can Speak their mind using first Amendment rights, which they don?t have. I don?t care, I really don?t. Iran and its people hate us, so I don?t give a ****.

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@oaktonarcher,

oaktonarcher wrote:

They do when you live in a country where you can be put up for election at any time.

They were under the same impression as the rest of the world, being that Iraq had WMDs. And I would never say the British people were "gunho" for this war at all.

Nope I never liked this war, or in general any war. If you don?t believe me ask Brent about how I felt at that time.

They to do not have the funds nor the men to sustain, yet another, war.

Hahahaha not by a long shot bud, hell the fight in Afghanistan is just getting started.

Who installed the temporary government for over a year? ok so your suggesting that we blow stuff up from the sky (which wont work but that for a later argument) and then just walk away??? Leaving a massive power vacuum in our trail. If the world didn?t hate us already, that would do it. And can you imagine what would happen in Iraq if we did that? The bombing and shootings would go thought the roof.

Ok that?s like saying "if we got rid of Hitler and the SS, but left the Nazi government in power. Everything would have been ok." and how much good did "dropping a couple bombs" do for us in 1998 with Desert Fox?

If they install another Dictator then that?s means they wanted a dictator, and if we take him out that would go against our own doctrines. Have you ever heard of the Truman doctrine? If so how would it apply here?

Where do you think Bin laden came from? Hell we even trained and armed him!
And when the Russians left, we ditched, again leaving a massive power vacuum. This is where his hatred of the US came from. so saying we haven?t created terrorists is just up surd.

or it could be traditional Islamic values from thousands of years ago? One or the other.

I call them as i see them, don?t call me a liberal.

First off, I don?t believe in it, so I?m not about to lie down my life for some Iraqi or Iranian that I have never met, do I know that they want me to. Many Iraqi's want us the hell out. And so your saying that should terrorism come to our land, it would be ok if it came because we attacked Iran?

Honestly, if it causes me or any of my family members to die, I couldn?t care less if some person in Iran can Speak their mind using first Amendment rights, which they don?t have. I don?t care, I really don?t. Iran and its people hate us, so I don?t give a crap.

"They do when you live in a country where you can be put up for election at any time."

Not when your on your second term, and can't go for a third.

"They were under the same impression as the rest of the world, being that Iraq had WMDs. And I would never say the British people were "gunho" for this war at all."

And they still hold by there initial claims that Saddam had them. I bet they were after a few subway bombings, and the failed second attempt?

"Nope I never liked this war, or in general any war. If you don?t believe me ask Brent about how I felt at that time."

I don't like war either, it is a nessicary evil. What was your opinion of terrorists the day after 9/11, you didn't want are military to go kill any one in particular?

"They to do not have the funds nor the men to sustain, yet another, war."

Nobody ever does but we always find away. With as well as Iraq is going i think we could afford a hundred thousand in a year or so? They already have 90 battalions online.

"Hahahaha not by a long shot bud, hell the fight in Afghanistan is just getting started."

But you already said "In order to get rid of any regime you have to win the fight" then how did we not win, the regime is gone?

"Who installed the temporary government for over a year? ok so your suggesting that we blow stuff up from the sky (which wont work but that for a later argument) and then just walk away??? Leaving a massive power vacuum in our trail. If the world didn?t hate us already, that would do it. And can you imagine what would happen in Iraq if we did that? The bombing and shootings would go thought the roof."

The Mullahs did, we just gave them the parameters they needed to follow. No not walk away, fly away. There are plenty in Iran that would welcome the change. They see whats happening in Iraq and Afgan and i would venture to say most of the sane iranians want peace and freedom too. Hell Syria's on the brink of throwing out the whole kit and kabotol. Lebanon is halfway there. They see the writing on the wall and the rightfully scared. I think the shea and kurds in Iraq would then be willing to give us a hand freeing there brothers in Iran too.

"Ok that?s like saying "if we got rid of Hitler and the SS, but left the Nazi government in power. Everything would have been ok." and how much good did "dropping a couple bombs" do for us in 1998 with Desert Fox?"

I think they would figure it they can get the higher ups guess who could be next if they didn't conform. They may be terrorists but they ain't stupid. Desert fox did alot of good. It kept him in his box for quit a while. All he could do was shot at us in the no fly zone he wasn't about to send planes up.

"If they install another Dictator then that?s means they wanted a dictator, and if we take him out that would go against our own doctrines. Have you ever heard of the Truman doctrine? If so how would it apply here?"

No they will be forced to have a real election, not one where they eliminate all the opposition. Just like in Iraq real people will step up to the plate for there shot at the big league, yes people will die. But as we know freedom is worth dieing for. As far as Truman i think it will have as much effect as it did in Afgan and Irag. Given enough pravocation it will be put aside till after.

"Where do you think Bin laden came from? Hell we even trained and armed him!
And when the Russians left, we ditched, again leaving a massive power vacuum. This is where his hatred of the US came from. so saying we haven?t created terrorists is just up surd."

Are you saying we brainwashed him? Once we trained and armed him we could not stop him from changing his mind! He did that all on his own. I never said what we did was right just rightious. He didn't seem to mind the help then, but couldn't handle it after we left. Untill i see a mindcontrol machine i will hold firm we do not creat terrorists. The insurgents coming from all over the world to fight the americans in Iraq, what is there excuse? They come from countrys we never had anything to do with but still they come?

"or it could be traditional Islamic values from thousands of years ago? One or the other."

They have proven time and time again they will not listen to reason. What do you do with a unreasonalble man who is hell bent on killing not just you but you whole family, friends, way of life?

"I call them as i see them, don?t call me a liberal."

Where did i do that?

"First off, I don?t believe in it, so I?m not about to lie down my life for some Iraqi or Iranian that I have never met, do I know that they want me to. Many Iraqi's want us the hell out. And so your saying that should terrorism come to our land, it would be ok if it came because we attacked Iran?"

I see, would you lay it down for Brent? What about your next door neighbor? What about your mother or siblings? I'm sure if i dig deep enough there is some one in this world your willing to die for.
Not as many as want us there, i saw 16 million blue thumbs that say different. And terrorism has already been on our shores and we are not gonna wait for it to visit again. For your family as well as mine. Why do you not get that they want us all dead? Does it not bother you that the pres in Iran offered 15 grand for your life or any Israeli life?

"Honestly, if it causes me or any of my family members to die, I couldn?t care less if some person in Iran can Speak their mind using first Amendment rights, which they don?t have. I don?t care, I really don?t. Iran and its people hate us, so I don?t give a crap."

Well the only reason you can speak this opinion of yours is because some body already died for your right. They used to say the Iraqi's hated us too, my how times have changed. So you could care less? There are i'm sure at least fifty countrys that thank god we all don't think like you, Chances are you would be speaking german heah? If you don't mind me asking why did you forfathers come to this country, were they fleeing a famine, dictator, religous persicution?

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