Tom Delay steps down

http://www.therant.us/staff/guest/gaynor/10052005.htm
Dual Standards for Delay and Pelosi

October 5, 2005 - Tom DeLay is pro-life, conservative, Republican and as effective in accomplishing things as a hammer is in driving a nail where it belongs

Nancy Pelosi is pro-abortion, radical, Democrat and effective in obstructing the will of most Americans.

Tom DeLay resigned as House Republican Majority Leader, because he was indicted and Republican Rules (not House rules) require that.

Nancy Pelosi has not resigned, even though she was found guilty of having a "fund-raising committee...improperly accepted donations over federal limits" and fined $21,000.

The Democrats do not have a rule requiring Pelosi to resign, even though convicted.

What does all this mean?

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House Republican leaders last night abandoned a proposal to loosen rules governing members' ethical conduct, as they yielded to pressure from rank-and-file lawmakers concerned that the party was sending the wrong message.

The proposal would have made it more difficult for lawmakers to discipline a colleague for unethical behavior and would have allowed Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) to keep his post if he is indicted by a Texas grand jury that is looking into his campaign finance practices.

The sudden reversal came amid growing indications of dissension within the GOP. Just before House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert's office announced that the measures were being dropped, the chairman of the House ethics committee issued an unusual statement denouncing the leadership's plan.

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Again you are playing party lines acting like the republicans can do no wrong...

The republicans only folded due to pressure from democrats... had they had their way they would have abolished this Ethics rule.

Why do we bother trying to prove one party is better than the other when they are both equally bad and only concerned with their interests?

Wasted debate space.....

After reading both those, I still can't see how you could say that the Republicans are not obviously more strict about ethics and positions.

I'm playing party lines? The ethics rule you are talking about we made, not the democrats.

And we are the ones adhearing to it.

The example was Pelosi who was not only indicted but convicted and yet she still holds her position.

So who is playing partisan? At least you don't exclude yourself from the WE.

"Wasted debate space" Yeah, i guess i could waist my space some where else?

Duh, that's why they are for Republicans only.



Did you read the article.. the very republican party in power now tried to remove it and only folded under pressure from passing it. :rolleyes:



My example is the republicans attempted to remove the very Ethics rule you are talking about Tom Delay adhering too. :uhh:



I'm giving you the other side of the story... you just told one side I gave the other :bored:



Way to blow things up here. I was simply stating that if you go to any political board it is filled up with 90% trash talk on one party or the other and does nothing to reach a goal :rolleyes:

Ok, i get it. You think ethics are used only by repubs? I thought ethics were supposed to be used by both sides!

Yes i did. Why is it ok for us to up hold it but not the democrats? If it's only are rule then why the opposition to do away with it being the democrats sure don't feel any remorse for even a conviction?

Why not remove it when only one side adheres to it? Why do you not hold Pelosi to the same standard?

The other side is full of hipocracy. What's good for the goose is NOT what's good for the gander?

You made the statement not me.

But they didn't remove it.

The fact that they are there in the first place separates the Republicans from the Democrats.

Maybe they tried to remove them because Tom Delay is a good leader and these accusations apparently don't have much truth to them, and just removing the rules would be easier than allowing an exception this one time.

But they didn't remove it. The fact that they are there in the first place separates the Republicans from the Democrats. Maybe they tried to remove them because Tom Delay is a good leader and these accusations apparently don't have much truth to them, and just removing the rules would be easier than allowing an exception this one time.

Possibly.... I can't think for them just use my opinion based on what I take in... meaning they are politicians and are in this for themselves... I have a feeling it was not because Tom Delay was such a great leader they did not want him to step down... but that they did not want the bad media exposure of having their Majority leader step down based on fraud accusations.

That is my take..

Thats a little too gross of a generalization to go without a comment. Yeah, I am sure most of them are, however, I refuse to believe that EVERY one of them is. Not all politicians are bad, most, but not all.

:rolleyes:

Ethics and Politics should not be used in the same sentence. I could careless if the democrats had the same thing as the republicans becuase with it or without it they are lying scumbags.


Nice dude! You totally avoided my point.

I am not talking about Democrats I am talking about the current republican majority attempting to rewrite the ethics rules so that they would not have to step down. Until you touch this then I will not be fielding any of your spin :wink:



Hey fine with me! I could careless. It just makes the republicans look better on paper. That's it and that is all. I believe either they both should have it or both not... but that is not why I posted what I did... I assume you think that the Republicans goal in removing this Ethics rule was to be fair with the Democrats correct, and not to possibly.. oh... keep Delay in the majority seat?



The other side is fact. That is what I presented. Here you go again with your "Anything said by the left against the right is pure hypocrisy" moaning.



Well you took it wrong.

We are touching on this. Why can you separate the government? It is within the majoritys right to change any thing they see fit. The democrats did it while they had it?

Paper is proof. Yes i think it's fair for both if one won't comply. Delay stepped down under his own power, no one forced him?

My question is more why the democrats want him out when one of there own was indicted and convicted and not a word of having them step down much less doing it on her own? She's still in the catbird seat and Delay ain't, seems strange to me.

Pelosi convicted, still has job. Delay indicted, doesn't have job. You see no hipocracy huh?

With that other 90% trash talk we were able to figure that out, Damn i love this country! LOL

Maybe so... but I see no good coming out of anyone's mouth in the Senate or House and I see no progress being made...

Take oil prices for example.... no one has grown the balls to build new refineries instead they want to pull the wool over Americans eyes and drill for more oil which 90% of Americans believe is the cause of high gas prices, which is the shortage of oil.

There are so many things to point out it is insane... and I do not see one person actively campaigning with all their power to get these sort of things changed, which is their job is it not?

Do we elect these people into office knowing they are going to suck our tax dollars up and do nothing with them and that is somehow ok with Americans?

What can I as just one America do to change this?

Vote? Doesn't seem like a good option seeing how they all do not meet my expectations of fixing problems.
Write my congressman? What is the point.... all that happens is some college interns write me back... they rarely if ever read them.

Run for office? Right..... against the Billions of dollars the republicans and democrats pissed away during the 2004 elections....