@Krumple,
sometime sun wrote:
We have had this conversation before and you did not get what I was saying, hell is a man made situation be it on earth or in the after life, it was built by man and the devil (which is also man) it houses suffering "the dead don't lie because they know the whole truth" the hell will be knowing existing the truth pain and suffering you inflicted while able to do so.
Krumple wrote:
How? Pain is only a signal sent to the brain when a nerve is triggered. You mean to tell me your soul has a nervous system? That is counter intuitive. Why would the soul have a nervous system? If I was just a disembodied mind then what is causing the pain? Some visions, some remorse? Being fed experiencing of other people? That does nothing. You feel someone else pain? So you will what? Sympathize and regret your actions? That is silly.
This is a brilliant question,
Does the soul have a nervous system?
And you know we are not talking about physical pain,
so if the soul has a nervous system it is more a polarity, the heavier it is to its south say how much pain it has caused therefore confused its frequency therefore need cleansing of this heavy energy needs to punish or purge its self, PURGATION.
So yes I would say the soul has a nervous system of sorts,
even if the soul has no self or possibly not even a mind it has and knows pain.
I will think on soul construction and get back to with a fuller answer and description.
So no no sympathy or regret they are human traits but it does mean a balancing of energy and cancelling of negative energies which means experiencing the pain you created.
I may be just theorising here but it does sound almost right to me, needs some tweaking and better use of language but it is a basis for me.
Krumple wrote:
The ONLY reason people hurt each other is because they are trying to obtain happiness. It is why I can forgive everyone and anyone because they are just like me, cursed with lacking contentment. If people knew the best solution but chose to use another method because they would rather cause harm then and only then would I consider it truly evil. However; no one, absolutely no one knows the best solution, so you can't accuse anyone of being evil. Anyone who does, is flat wrong.
I don't believe in evil.
Pain is only the search for happiness, yes I can see that, and you may be correct even that there is no hell after the fact, all I know is that the pain I have inflicted in my life I suffer for and am in torment for.
After life is anyones guess.
sometime sun wrote:
They will be relived of their pain because they will see the truth, you will know the pain because you will see the truth, it really is not any more simple than that, people are in hell now while they live, I am not so sure guilt
will play a roll because guilt is a lie, but pain is not a lie, pain is very real and very truthful so unless you are forgiven you will know the pain you have inflicted, simple as that.
Krumple wrote:
I won't ever feel guilty, because I have never felt guilty over anything I have ever done. I know I have caused hurt on others but I don't feel guilty about it. It is not my fault, it is the fault of ignorance. If I knew the best solution, I would take it, but I don't know the best solution so I make mistakes. I don't feel guilty about that. It is not my fault. Force me to experience their perspective, my position still stands.
Lucky you do not feel guilt,
I may but I still hold guilt is a lie.
Yes ignorance here I can see and understand its place in your and my thinking.
But where my ignorance reigns Gods knowledge is essential.
I may not know but God does.
What you describe is a very tangible possibility for the non existence of hell.
sometime sun wrote:
And I am not of the mind that Jesus can forgive me either merely with Jesus you will come to forgive.
Krumple wrote:
See most people find this incredibly difficult to do. I fine it incredibly easy to forgive. Because of my out look. As I have mentioned before, it is this curse of contentment which is the root to our problems. I don't ever blame the person, I see the fault in the curse itself. That gives me the ability to look beyond what they have ever done and see them as a person just like me, who is blind and randomly struggling to find happiness any way they can.
I find it east to forgive also,
Give me a nights sleep and I will find it and almost always do it.
But I do wonder if I do this so easily because I too believ I would like to be forgiven?
Again what you describe is a very real possibility.
sometime sun wrote:
And you don't need to feel guilty for not Believing in Jesus, you are not worng for not believing in Christ you are wrong for not believing in yourself, your inner Christ.
Krumple wrote:
I have no need for twisting it like that. But you are wrong about me not believing in myself. I don't have a self, it is an illusion that will fade into oblivion. I am perfectly fine with that too. I neither want to nor need to live for ever. It would cheapen this existence if i did live for ever.
I certainly never said you do not believe in yourself in fact what I meant when I said that was that you had already became as Him.
But as you say you do not need yourself, you may be closer to your real form already, you may be closer to being as soul, as God.
Without self.
You cant really fully do it until dead but I applaud your goal and healthy realisation that self needs to fade into oblivion.
I don't want to live forever either, and unless I am shown something after that I did not know and would could should know about "after life" and eternal existence then I am more than happy to ask God to let me sleep and let me go, but the fact remains I may not have that choice, that soul suicide may be against the nature of reality.
But I don't fear the void, it feels quite safe for me really.
I dont expect eternal life from God, I expect answers.
sometime sun wrote:
I don't like evangelising all that much and I must sound this way right now, but Krumple I would say your self belief and presence and goodness will get you any number of blisses and joys your heart is true enough to need.
Krumple wrote:
No, the self is nothing more than a source of torment. It is transcending the need to feel the self requires something is the only place you can be free.
Clean soul. Agreed.
sometime sun wrote:
You may not get it now but you will when you know the truth and know no lies.
Krumple wrote:
The truth is, god does not exist.
God may be and not exist at the same time?
If we focus on the word exist, I may even agree that God does not exist.
sometime sun wrote:
Heck who am I to say you don't already have it, heaven can be on earth as well you know. all I know is I don't cant or wont have it, but one day I will, and what ever hell I must suffer to gain my heaven I am going to do.
Krumple wrote:
I guess when you get nothing, you won't know it so it might as well be heaven.
sometime sun wrote:
I hope you know I condemn no one to hell, I cant, no one can but themselves.,
Krumple wrote:
And I say if a god allowed someone to condemn themselves then it is not worthy of praise, worship or even being labeled as god.
This I don't understand.
To give us any freedom means alos that we can be given the responsibility of self or soul correction, damnation is not permanent unless that is what the damned want for themselves, it means real freedom and real responsibility, it means we are actually worth something.
Krumple wrote:
To put it another way, it would be like your parent asking you to to do something and if you did it, it would reward you with something nice, but if you don't, then it is going to abandon you. The parent isn't showing any respect for the child at all, it is only concerned with the "task" it is presenting to you. You can not tell me that the parent cares yet is giving the child this ultimatum.
sometime sun wrote:
Sadly I can not be the one to carry anyone to heaven either except as the rule I live by "forgive them all as swiftly as possible, they will have a hard enough time doing it for them selves ".
Krumple wrote:
Like I said, I have absolutely no problem or difficulty forgiving anyone and everyone. It doesn't matter what they have done.
So what you said about serial killers being as God holds no substance.
Or is this just that you do not forgive something that doe snot exist so there is no reason to forgive?
sometime sun wrote:
That is your complete right, but you should know teasing someone by saying you have an answer and then not giving it is being a think tease. (sun smile)
Krumple wrote:
Most do not like my answers so I don't always give them.
You should not presume this for me, so in future please dont.
sometime sun wrote:
What does would imply?
Krumple wrote:
Motivation.
sometime sun wrote:
Dont quite get it ????
sometime sun wrote:
What does should imply?
Krumple wrote:
Motivation.
sometime sun wrote:
Still little go???
sometime sun wrote:
What does could imply?
Krumple wrote:
Infinite possibility.
sometime sun wrote:
I agree with this,
but could also mean infinate impossibility
sometime sun wrote:
If you are going to rush you are going to miss something.
I get what you mean about not rushing, but it does help when I ask you to explain yourself further so I can come to a resolution if not a little quicker than I would on my own.
sometime sun wrote:
We must make a point to do this tomorrow or latest day after.
Krumple wrote:
You won't like it.
At least show me what it is that you think I wont like before you think I wont like it. Please.
sometime sun wrote:
Please before you tell people that you cant see why not ask what it is you are looking at.
Krumple wrote:
Na, I already understand what you are looking at. So I approach from a different angle.
sometime sun wrote:
How can you say you understand what I am looking at when I would never dare say the same about you?
Krumple wrote:
You don't really care about any of this, your mind is made, you are just playing along. So do you still think I do not know?
Again you make assumptions about me that are false.
I care about what you say else I would not spend my time with you.
You may know what you know about what I am saying but you are exhibiting that you don't know me very well or at least not willing to give me the benefit of your doubt.
All my best, although I have not really given it to you this evening. Sorry.
