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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 05:22 pm
Hot on twitter at the moment is the alleged Alan Jones assertion on 2GB that "India will capitalise on our ban on Indonesia live export of cows, cause they don't care how animals are slaughtered"

Most common comment

Really? Cows. India. #ohalan?

I read an article recently about following people on twitter and facebook you don't like so you can be upset by them and froth up on righteous indignation. I sense that a lot of these tweeps listen to Jones just so they can tweet about what an idiot he is.

I wonder how prevalent that sort of thing is on A2K ? Does H20Man follow or ignore FarmerMan? Does Finn follow anyone? I must be old school - I follow the interesting ones and ignore the dills.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 12:35 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
Q&A was pretty average again this week. The tweets are more worthwhile it seems. Gutman was a bad choice of guest. Surely they could have found a pro-Israeli spokesperson who didn't have an inbuilt need to be the centre of attention.

I watched it last night.
I couldn't agree more.
I couldn't figure out, early in the program, why Gutman was there at all.
Comic relief, maybe? But since when did Q&A require any comic relief? Confused
Then, as the program developed, I found his "contributions" to discussion to be quite intolerant, overbearing & offensive. Shudder.
I don't think the Q&A program producers will repeat the mistake.
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 01:04 am
@msolga,
I find it hard to see anything good about Chris Pyne - he always look like a weasel to me - and that Downerish SA accent grates. All I can remember is him interrupting to say he never interrupts.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 01:05 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
Hot on twitter at the moment is the alleged Alan Jones assertion on 2GB that "India will capitalise on our ban on Indonesia live export of cows, cause they don't care how animals are slaughtered"

Obviously Alan has never been anywhere near India.
What an ignoramous.
Can you imagine the public outrage, if one of those bulls sitting casually in the middle of a road you were traveling down was accidentally hit, injured or killed by you? Shocked
You wouldn't want to be in that situation! You'd be very, very sorry.

Quote:
I read an article recently about following people on twitter and facebook you don't like so you can be upset by them and froth up on righteous indignation. I sense that a lot of these tweeps listen to Jones just so they can tweet about what an idiot he is.

I wonder how prevalent that sort of thing is on A2K ? Does H20Man follow or ignore FarmerMan? Does Finn follow anyone? I must be old school - I follow the interesting ones and ignore the dills.

You know, I suspect there might be a few folk here who have read that article! Wink

I suspect that there are a "select few" who come to A2K purely to incite their perceived "enemies". Not much else going for them here that I can see.
It seems to keep them happy, if they get the desired response.
Kinda sad, really, isn't it? Neutral


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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 01:13 am
OK, back to Oz politics.

Any responses to this?:

Quote:

Faulkner slams Labor's 'anaemic' culture

ABC online
Updated 7 hours 36 minutes ago


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201007/r596834_3856672.jpg
Senator Faulkner took aim at Labor's attitude to focus groups while delivering the Wran Lecture in Sydney. (file photo) (AAP: Alan Porritt)

Veteran Labor Senator John Faulkner has lashed out at his "anaemic" party, which he warns risks losing a generation of voters unless it overhauls its culture.

Senator Faulkner took aim at what he called the ALP's reliance on focus groups while delivering the Wran Lecture in Sydney on Thursday night.

"We commission focus groups to find out not just what people think of what we say, but all too often, what we should be saying at all," he said.

"The party has now become so reliant on focus groups that it listens more to those who don't belong to it than to those who do."

He said there was nothing wrong with using focus groups to test advertising strategies or explore understandings of policies.

"There is, however, something deeply wrong when we use polling to determine our party's policies, and even our values," he said.

"Labor must never forget that you do not earn the right to lead by perfecting the art of following."

Senator Faulkner warned the policy debate that was once the backbone of his party risks being "stifled" by "factional fixes, log-rolling and back-room deals".

"It has meant that our members feel the only roles for Labor's loyalists are as rubber stamps for decisions already made behind closed doors and as polling-booth fodder on election day," he said.

"In our desperation to avoid bad headlines, we have closed off the avenues for debate that are the lifeblood of our party.

"Our own members, our supporters and the broader community are blindsided when hotly-contested internal debates become public only after their resolution and when, apparently, there is unanimous agreement."

Citing activist organisation GetUp! as an example, Senator Faulkner said many Australians find political debate "richly rewarding".

But he said the Labor Party shies away from the unpredictable nature of community debate.

"I see it rather as a symptom of the anaemia that is draining the life from the Australian Labor Party - an apparent aversion to the unpredictability of democracy," he said.

"We have lost a generation of activists from Labor and, if we do not face the challenges and opportunities of reform in both structure and culture, we will risk losing a generation of voters as well."

He also criticised the party for giving power to a few people among Labor's factions.

"Those who believe in a policy not supported by the party's public voices quietly sit down to avoid causing embarrassment," he said.

Former prime minister Kevin Rudd said he agreed with Senator Faulkner's view.

"Fundamental reform is necessary for the Australian Labor Party as John has said quite rightly," he said.

"It's not just a question of Labor Party members being listened to, but Labor Party members being heard, and this is the beginning of the reforms which are necessary.

"And that I believe is the task that lies ahead for the National Party Conference of the party at the end of this year."

However, Mr Rudd's intervention sparked an angry response from AWU national secretary and Labor powerbroker Paul Howes.

"It's probably more of a case of 'Do as I say, not as I did'," Mr Howes said.

"Party members should be heard and should be taken into account. That hasn't happened, and it certainly didn't happen under his leadership."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/09/3240288.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 01:33 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
I find it hard to see anything good about Chris Pyne - he always look like a weasel to me - and that Downerish SA accent grates. All I can remember is him interrupting to say he never interrupts.

Smarmy is the word I'd use to describe Christopher's performance.

But, I've gotta say, compared to Gutman's contribution, he looked semi-OK, almost, for a serial disruptive interrupter! Wink

Is there some sort of upper-class, posh Liberal politician , with a certain type of weirdly non-Oz accent, whose home in is certain parts of SA?

Perhaps they all went to the same school, or something? Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 08:35 pm
I meant to post this yesterday, but forgot ....

Thursday night's Clarke & Dawe.:


Quote:
Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 09/06/2011

Reporter: John Clarke and Bryan Dawe

John Clarke and Bryan Dawe reflect on the Opposition Leader's range of public statements.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3240271.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2011 10:14 pm
I have no idea of the details of what's happening in politics at the federal level at the moment.
If someone is in the know, please share with us.

The last thing I read was about a court challenge to the government's "Malaysia solution" for refugees. Looking for more details.

....& something about love .... & Julia & Tim ....& the "real Julia". Again. Rolling Eyes

Down here in Victoria we are all caught up with local issues. Another Police Commissioner hits the dust.

Something is very smelly in the state of Victoria, but no one is telling us the full story!

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/a-sad-end-for-a-decent-but-isolated-cop-20110616-1g66x.html
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2011 11:14 pm
@msolga,
I'm in awe at the depth of your political knowledge in comparison to mine. Have we just lost interest in a right that does nothing but kneejerk obstruction and a left that flops around on the floor like a goldfish out of its bowl?
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 12:07 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
Have we just lost interest in a right that does nothing but kneejerk obstruction and a left that flops around on the floor like a goldfish out of its bowl?

Yeah, I think we might have, hinge.
Maybe we've become a bit numbed by it all? Sad
It is certainly hard to become enthused or excited by the battle between the big two.

Lately my interests have been more about specific campaigns, like those run by GetUp!, or Animals Australia, for example.
At least they are talking about real objectives.
And involve real people, taking real action.


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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 18 Jun, 2011 12:37 am
Crikey! Shocked

Quote:
In a catastrophic result for the government, the latest Age-Nielsen poll shows the Coalition leading Labor by a massive 59-41 per cent on a two-party basis.

....Tony Abbott has also tied with Ms Gillard for the first time as preferred prime minister.
Ms Gillard's approval rating has slumped 6 points to 37 per cent and her disapproval has increased by 7 points to 59 per cent in a month. This is her lowest approval and highest disapproval since she became PM. ....

http://www.theage.com.au/national/rudd-on-the-rise-a-year-after-his-demise-20110617-1g85w.html
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2011 10:09 pm
A take a chill pill story

Quote:
Humanitarian crisis as world's largest refugee camp declared full
Tens of thousands in Dadaab camp in Kenya face starvation after fleeing violence in Somalia, medical charity warns
David Smith in Johannesburg
guardian.co.uk, Friday 10 June 2011 18.14 BST
Full story

The biggest refugee camp in the world is full, creating a humanitarian emergency that threatens thousands of malnourished children, a medical charity has warned.

Dadaab, a sprawling desert "city" in Kenya with a population expected to reach 450,000 by the end of the year, has run out of space, Médecins sans Frontières (MSF) said.

Children who have fled war in neighbouring Somalia are left without food or shelter in dry heat of 50C (122F) and are said to be vulnerable to attack by animals.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2011 10:40 pm
@hingehead,
Terrible.

It would be interesting, wouldn't it, to compare what we actually spend on foreign aid (which could help alleviate incredible hardship like this) with what we spend on fighting wars.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2011 10:53 pm
I now feel rather guilty for posting this latest development from Canberra.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/06/20/3248095.htm
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2011 10:54 pm
@msolga,
Only a slightly positive note from the Guardian I note that Australia increased ten-fold it's donation to a global vaccination programme (which surprised itself by getting more money from the international community than it budgeted for).

Another chill pill moment

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/06/the-illusion-of-high-taxes.html

The US thinks Europe is too highly taxed but as the author notes if Europe uses taxes to pay for private health care, whereas Americans accept lower wages to pay for private healthcare.

Australia out performs both but apparently we are drowning in new big taxes.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2011 10:55 pm
@msolga,
How come?
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 19 Jun, 2011 11:03 pm
@hingehead,
Chill pill moment.
It all seems pretty irrelevant somehow .....
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jun, 2011 08:23 pm
Surely no one would take the "arguments" denying climate change by a crank like this seriously?

But apparently the Association of Mining and Exploration Companies (which is sponsoring this conference) does, or thinks he will be useful to their cause ... & apparently Tony Abbott does, too, despite a statement today disassociating himself from Monckton's outrageous statements about Professor Ross Garnaut. He will still be speaking at the conference & met Monckton when he was last in Australia.
Anything goes when undermining the government's carbon reduction proposals, hey Tony?
I hope the this so-called conference blows up in their faces.

And Monckton calls this an apology? Neutral


Quote:
Sceptic Lord under fire, but speech to go ahead
Tom Arup
June 24, 2011/the AGE


http://images.theage.com.au/2011/06/23/2449066/1_monckton_main-420x0.jpg
Lord Monckton last month.

CONTROVERSIAL UK climate sceptic Lord Christopher Monckton has apologised for his comments likening the Labor's climate change adviser Professor Ross Garnaut to a Nazi.

In a yet-to-be-published article, Lord Monckton says ''let me begin with an unreserved apology''.

''In a recent lecture, I should not have described the opinions of Professor Ross Garnaut, the Australian Government's climate economist, as fascist. I apologise humbly.''

But he goes on to say: ''Will there be similar apologies from those who have called us 'climate deniers' or 'denialists', or who say we should be tattooed with our opinions, or imprisoned, or barred from Australia, or tried for 'high crimes against humanity'?"

Lord Monckton - who is in Australia for a speaking tour - was derided by politicians on both sides yesterday for a speech he made last month at which he displayed a swastika next to a quote from Professor Garnaut and said ''Heil Hitler, on we go'' in a fake German accent.

The Age understands Lord Monckton also sent an apology to Professor Garnaut. Professor Garnaut said most Australians would judge his use of Nazi symbols as ''outside the boundaries of civilised discourse''.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott, who will speak two days before Lord Monckton at a conference held by the Association of Mining and Exploration Companies next week, described the comments as ''offensive and over the top and I repudiate them''. He said he still intended to speak at the conference despite Lord Monckton's presence.

Mr Abbott met Lord Monckton on his last Australian tour early last year, but said he had no plans to meet him this time.

Victorian Liberal MP Josh Frydenberg told The Age he found Lord Monckton's comments deeply offensive. Liberal frontbencher Malcolm Turnbull described him as ''increasingly a rather sick, vaudeville character who makes more and more outlandish charges in order to get attention''.

In question time, the government attacked Mr Abbott for his association with Lord Monckton. Climate Change Minister Greg Combet said he had ''previously stated that climate change is a global communist conspiracy, hatched in the UN, for the purposes of establishing world government''. ''It is unbefitting of a political leader in this country to hold these views and these associations,'' he said.

The mining association chief executive, Simon Bennison, said Lord Monckton had been booked to speak because a number of his members wanted to hear what he had to say. AMEC did not condone his comments, but would not censor anyone.

In his article, Lord Monckton said the cost of carbon reduction schemes ''exceeds that of the imagined [and largely imaginary] damage from unmitigated warming''. ''The Planet was triumphantly Saved 2000 years ago by a carpenter's son from Galilee. It does not need Saving again,'' he writes.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/sceptic-lord-under-fire-but-speech-to-go-ahead-20110623-1ghk3.html
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jun, 2011 09:28 pm
@msolga,
Yeah. Neutral

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/06/24/2449809/leunig24cod-620x0.jpg
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jun, 2011 08:44 am
@msolga,
The mad monk brings a mad monck. Shock? No.
 

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