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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 01:51 am
@hingehead,
Where to start?

She hasn't addressed the funding inequalities between state & private schools introduced by Howard.

NAPLAN testing & the My School site, which "names & shames" the "poorest performing" government schools as the worst offenders. (I've taught in many of those schools throughout my teaching life & I can tell you that what they need is more resources, smaller classes, etc, NOT to be told that the teaching is not up to scratch & to get their act together, or else. - It is to do with seriously disadvantaged communities & families, more than anything else ....
Don't get me started! Wink )

The allocation of funds between state & private schools under "the education revolution."
A helluva lot of wasted money, which could have made a big difference in struggling state schools. They weren't allowed to choose how their money was spent. Private schools were ...

The focus on computers of "the education revolution". Hardly what many schools needed, before other far more pressing priorities ....

I could go on .... I just don't think she has a very good understanding of our state school system at all .......

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/gillard-ranks-as-a-failure-on-education-20100704-zvpt.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:04 am
@hingehead,
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In pedagogy terms are or you against the schools site and the performance payment idea?

It is very easy to look like a great teacher when you're working with literate kids, in schools with all necessary materials & facilities provided, & who come from comfortable enlightened homes/communities.

It is much, much harder to improve the the academic outcomes of students living much tougher lives in tough, disadvantaged communities ... whose parents might not offer them much support or encouragement in their endeavors. Whose parents were/are disadvantaged themselves, in many cases. Add to that any number of recently arrived migrants & refugees who need extra support. Add to that ...... I could go on & on.
To me it's about advantaging whole communities so's they function better, rather than basing judgments on the outcomes of tests, as if all students have the same advantages, or there's some sort of "level playing field" in the opportunities open to all of them. That simply is not true.

Another concern, teachers are often under quite a deal of pressure to improve test results ... so precious time is spent on "teaching the test" (or teaching material similar to what students will be tested on). A helluva a lot of time is wasted in this way, at the expense of actual education programs.
hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:43 am
@msolga,
Have you read Freakonomics and the case of teachers faking results to boost performance pay. I was hoping that the failures of those systems would inform this system. I can't believe they're not fully aware of the challenges some communities, and therefore teachers, face. I hadn't considered the idea that it would based purely on test scores... I so hope you're wrong - but you're a lot closer to it than I am.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:55 am
@hingehead,
There are VCE results, too.
Honestly, I've had the odd VCE student who, instead of failing or dropping out, has actually achieved a "C" in my subject. Despite all the odds.
Wow, I thought I was brilliant to have helped such students achieve results like that! Smile
And sometimes that is the reality you're dealing with, with some students.
I would never achieve a performance bonus for that sort of achievement, though! Wink

No, I haven't read Freakonomics, but I know of quite a few instances of teachers tampering with results for such purposes.
A few of them have made headlines in our newspapers.
Serves them right, silly sausages!


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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 06:49 am
http://images.theage.com.au/2011/05/17/2367282/Tandberg---Religious-educat-600x400.jpg
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Schools deserve their say on chaplains
Sarah Hanson-Young , Greens Senator
May 17, 2011 - 6:54AM

Last week the federal government's budget revealed the Education Department would spend another $222 million over four years on the national school chaplaincy program.

In light of revelations that the Victoria-based Access Ministries is reportedly using the program to ''make disciples'' of students, the Australian Greens question whether that’s money well-spent.

Contrary to what some pundits claim, per se, we are firm believers in an individual's free choice, be it the right to marry whom they choose, or in this case, the right for each school across Australia to determine how they should use the $74 million annually earmarked for chaplains. ...<cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/blogs/gengreens/schools-deserve-their-say-on-chaplains-20110516-1epju.html
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 07:37 am
@msolga,
I wonder if in the legislation/policy if it is actually earmarked for 'chaplains'. What is the wording they use for the service provided? Pastoral care? It's hard to comprehend that would stipulate 'chaplain'. Why not say 'unqualified counseller with religious bent' - preferably christian? Wink this is very odd.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 01:14 am
@hingehead,
I'll get back to you later on that, hinge.

In a bit of a mad rush right now.

In the meantime:

Clarke and Dawe with Abbott's take on a carbon tax from last night's 7:30 Report:

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2011/s3221731.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 06:27 pm
@hingehead,
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I wonder if in the legislation/policy if it is actually earmarked for 'chaplains'. What is the wording they use for the service provided? Pastoral care? It's hard to comprehend that would stipulate 'chaplain'. Why not say 'unqualified counseller with religious bent' - preferably christian? Wink this is very odd.

It is very odd, obviously I agree with you hinge.
It's called the National Schools Chaplaincy Program, so the federal $$$ are meant specifically for that purpose.

The program was introduced by the Howard government. (Remember his line about state schools and (absent) "values"?) The aim of the program was to provide those absent values in our godless state schools.

According to Peter Garrett (current Labor federal education minister) the program "assists schools and their communities to support the spiritual wellbeing of their students."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/11/3214060.htm

It isn't remotely surprising to me that Howard would introduce such a program when both parties were desperately competing for the "Christian vote". What's astonishing is that Labor apparently supports it & has actually increased federal funding!

Me, I reckon that if parents want their kids to hold Christian values then they should take them to church on Sundays! It's that simple, surely? Neutral

Tandberg, again. (He used to be a teacher in the state system. He knows all about about the crapolla dumped on on schools by politicians! Wink )
http://images.theage.com.au/2011/05/20/2374519/tand-class-600x400.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 06:50 pm
Just read this in the Sunday Age.
Hmmmmmm .... interesting, interesting! (or not Wink )
Fractures appearing in the Libs' camp?
Who leaked this to the media?
And why?
Don't they know about party loyalty? Tsk, tsk ....
Hmmm ...
I think Malcolm should definitely be asked to comment on this! Razz

Quote:
Hockey's fury flies in call to Abbott
Jessica Wright/Sunday Age
May 22, 2011


TENSIONS between Joe Hockey and Tony Abbott erupted during a recent fiery telephone conversation in which the shadow treasurer accused the Opposition Leader of embarrassing him and leaving him ''swinging in the wind''.

Several sources from both camps told The Sunday Age that during the telephone call both men questioned the other's loyalties and political ideology. One senior Liberal, who declined to be named, described it as a ''brutal, free and frank character assessment of each other's beliefs and performance''.

The stoush between the former leadership rivals in the lead-up to the May 10 budget, erupted after Mr Hockey was forced to back away from his suggestion in a keynote speech that family trusts should be taxed in the same way as companies.

Mr Hockey was slapped down by Nationals leader Warren Truss and members of the conservative Right, who have long been opposed to any change to family trust tax arrangements due to their popularity with rural voters.

Mr Hockey was forced to make an embarrassing public retreat.

Furious, he called Mr Abbott to challenge him over his lack of support. It is understood he was angry that he had been ''left swinging in the wind''.

During the call Mr Hockey also repeatedly made it plain he believed the Coalition needed to have firm policy outlines instead of Mr Abbott's current ''small target strategy''.

According to the sources, the conversation descended into a slanging match before ending abruptly without resolution. ...<cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/national/hockeys-fury-flies-in-call-to-abbott-20110521-1eybb.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 06:54 pm
Taking a quick look at what the cartoonists have been up to this week:

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/05/20/2375672/port-544146726-600x400.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 06:58 pm
@msolga,
http://images.theage.com.au/2011/05/20/2373822/543865897-600x400.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 07:07 pm
@msolga,
http://images.theage.com.au/2011/05/20/2374518/tand-smuggler-600x400.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 07:08 pm
@msolga,
http://images.theage.com.au/2011/05/19/2371610/Tandberg---Rudd%27s-Chinese-600x400.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 07:21 pm
http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2011/05/08/1226052/063053-11-05-08-leak-gallery.jpg
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 11:02 pm
Thanks for the cartoons Olgs. Not shocked about Garrett (christian) supporting chaplaincy program - hope it doesn't turn into a pink batts for him (although I believe he was left carrying a can he didn't create). I've heard on the grapevine that Garrett has no decision making power any more - he tried to rename No School No Play programme (created by Mark Arbib) because administrators think it misrepresents the programme by indicating it's all stick and no carrot. Arbib squashed the name change, even though it's no longer his portfolio responsibility.
hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 11:27 pm
This got a mention on Insiders today:

Source

Mogul in the corner

Could an editors' meeting in California explain the spring in Tony Abbott's step?

WAS it any real surprise that last week's polls indicated the Gillard government got little or no bounce out of its latest budget? After all, if you relied on the biggest-selling daily newspapers for your reporting and analysis, the budget was a direct assault on the Australian way of life and family unit.
''Work hard, pay more,'' screamed the Herald Sun's post-budget special edition. Its Sydney counterpart, The Daily Telegraph, maintained the theme with ''It's a bit rich - Swan pickpockets families on $150,000''.

They were certainly livelier than the traditional ''Beer, cigs up'' headlines, but they were also a long way from the truth.

The budget didn't attack family benefits in the manner the two papers suggested. At most, there were a few minor tweaks that by some estimates would cost recipients $30 a year, tops.

The attacks didn't stop there though, with Labor's carbon tax and flood levy both singled out for criticism. No wonder most voters thought they'd be worse off, with only 11 per cent saying they'd be better off and 41 per cent saying they'd go backwards, according to Newspoll.

Budgets are pretty dull affairs for mass-market tabloids, used to selling on the back of strong emotions such as anger, envy and greed. While accountants, economists and masochists might find the budget papers attractive, they're devoid of emotion, which is why tabloid editors try to inject as much as they can.

So it's not entirely surprising the country's biggest-selling dailies would seek to portray it as a heartless document that disadvantaged families, even those earning $150,000 a year.

That's one explanation for the approach taken by the News Limited papers. The other is much more politically significant: that Rupert Murdoch has let it be known within his organisation that Australia needs change in Canberra and his editors were simply doing his bidding.
Certainly there's a growing paranoia within Labor circles and elsewhere that the Murdoch press is against them and there's little or nothing that can be done to change that. Given News controls about 70 per cent of Australian newspapers, which, in turn, feed talkback radio and evening news bulletins, that's a fight most politicians want to avoid.

Not Bob Brown though, it seems. The Greens leader last week took aim at the Murdoch press, in particular The Australian. ''I think the Murdoch media is doing a great disservice to this nation in perhaps the most important debate of the century so far, which is how we tackle climate change,'' Brown said. ''Its negativity and its scepticism do need to be tackled because, you know, we need news in our papers but we're getting opinion far too much.''

Brown and other conspiracy theorists might have a point, particularly when they consider this: just days before the overwhelmingly negative coverage of the budget by News outlets, Murdoch and his most senior Australian editors and columnists gathered in California for one of his semi-regular confabs on the state of his media business.
The 80-year-old News Corp mogul keeps a weekender just outside the millionaires' coastal enclave of Carmel, which once elected Clint Eastwood as its mayor. The Murdoch estate, roughly the size of a small European principality, stretches through rolling hills and valleys.
If the conspiracy theorists are right, it would have been here or at a local resort he sometimes uses for such conferences that the word went out - it's Tony's time now. This is not entirely fanciful. Indeed, Murdoch let it be known within News after dining with Abbott late last year that he liked the Liberal leader and what he represented. Perhaps he merely amplified this in California. Maybe he went further and that, in turn, fuelled the budget and carbon tax coverage.

Either way, it certainly wouldn't have been a direction. That's not Murdoch's style. It would more likely have been an observation expressed by him or a lieutenant during or after dinner or at a coffee break between sessions. His editors, better than most at reading the wind, would have noted the boss's latest leanings and applied this knowledge at the first opportunity - many of them would have arrived back in Australia the morning of the budget lock-up. Of course, it would be open to an editor to ignore the boss's preferences, but as I discovered, that can sometimes come at a cost.

Either way, it seems increasingly apparent that Labor and the Greens are going to be facing a largely hostile popular press between now and any election. Bob Brown clearly senses this and I suspect Julia Gillard does too. Meanwhile, it looks just as obvious that Tony Abbott has Rupert Murdoch in his corner. No wonder the Liberal leader has a spring in his step - the News boss is not in the habit of backing losers.

Bruce Guthrie is a former editor of The Age, The Sunday Age and Herald Sun, and is the author of Man Bites Murdoch.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/mogul-in-the-corner-20110521-1exun.html#ixzz1N3RWDdHa
hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 11:28 pm
@hingehead,
So just remember, don't buy a New Limited paper, just imagine what Rupert wants you to think.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 11:36 pm
@hingehead,
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Not shocked about Garrett (christian) supporting chaplaincy program - hope it doesn't turn into a pink batts for him (although I believe he was left carrying a can he didn't create). I've heard on the grapevine that Garrett has no decision making power any more - he tried to rename No School No Play programme (created by Mark Arbib) because administrators think it misrepresents the programme by indicating it's all stick and no carrot. Arbib squashed the name change, even though it's no longer his portfolio responsibility.

I'm certain you're right about Peter Garrett having absolutely no autonomy as minister for education, hinge.
He didn't have any as minister for the environment either.
He's had a very rough trot.
(All the same, he strikes me as an odd choice for the education job!)
This is all about vote buying, nothing more, certainly not about education!
I'll bet we're still subsidizing those objectionable & very exclusive Scientology schools with our taxes.
Sigh.
You know what would make for a real "education revolution" in Oz?
If all the funding ear-marked for education was actually spent on education in state schools.
All I can say is that the private education & Christian lobbies must be very powerful for our taxes to be spent in this way.
The Greens' education policy is very attractive to anyone who strongly supports public education.
The big 2 seem to have caved in to the pressure.
Very discouraging. Sad

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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 12:29 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
Certainly there's a growing paranoia within Labor circles and elsewhere that the Murdoch press is against them and there's little or nothing that can be done to change that. Given News controls about 70 per cent of Australian newspapers, which, in turn, feed talkback radio and evening news bulletins, that's a fight most politicians want to avoid.

<Deep, deep sigh>

Rupert at it again! (I would have thought Oz was small fry these days in his grander scheme of things, but no. Nothing escapes his Grand Plan!)

It always amazes me, that US A2Kers especially, underestimate Rupert's influence in distorting news for his own purposes. As if Fox News programmers had any real autonomy at all! As if Fox has been presenting its versions of US politics without his direct approval.

Quote:
Brown and other conspiracy theorists might have a point, particularly when they consider this: just days before the overwhelmingly negative coverage of the budget by News outlets, Murdoch and his most senior Australian editors and columnists gathered in California for one of his semi-regular confabs on the state of his media business.

Bob Brown is not a "conspiracy theorist".
He tells it like he sees it.
I'm certain I'm not the only voter who sees things the same way.

Quote:
Either way, it seems increasingly apparent that Labor and the Greens are going to be facing a largely hostile popular press between now and any election. Bob Brown clearly senses this and I suspect Julia Gillard does too. Meanwhile, it looks just as obvious that Tony Abbott has Rupert Murdoch in his corner. No wonder the Liberal leader has a spring in his step - the News boss is not in the habit of backing losers.

Well what other possible reason for Tony Abbott to feel so confident? Neutral
He is talking crap, simplistic slogans, nothing more.
Without any real alternative proposals ... what would he propose instead?
We don't know.
A responsible media would demand that he verify his statements.
But the bulk of Australia's media won't do that.
Because they are controlled by Rupert Murdoch.
Who will never take responsibility for what his media outlets actually say.
Of course.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 01:04 am
<Sigh>
Quote:
A DIVISIVE debate that would have condemned Julia Gillard's stance on gay marriage was yesterday derailed at Labor's state conference due to a low turnout.

Labor leaders part ways on gay marriage:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/labor-leaders-part-ways-on-gay-marriage-20110521-1ey2w.html
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