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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
dadpad
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 02:27 am
@Prickle,
She moved to England I thought.
She had her house on the market there for a while. Not sure if it sold. Was prolly the wrong colour.

I see shes standing for election somewhere or other.

Who cares.
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 11:19 am
@dadpad,
I think the care factor involves a repeat offender running under a banner of dissimilarity, again, and knowing that she hasn't a snowflake's chance in hell of being elected. But, if she receives the required tally of votes, she's good for a cool fifth of a million shekels Oz.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 05:01 pm
http://www.kudelka.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/OZED110407.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 05:46 pm
@hingehead,
He is good at that, isn't he? Wink

(Good to see you're back, hinge.
I've missed you.)
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 05:49 pm
@msolga,
So you watched Q&A then?

Interesting, interesting ....
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 7 Apr, 2011 06:16 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Video:Clarke and Dawe with Kevin Rudd
Source: 7.30 Report
Published: Thursday, April 7, 2011 7:56 AEST
Expires: Wednesday, July 6, 2011 7:56 AEST

Clarke and Dawe with their take on recent controversies.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/04/07/3185497.htm
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 06:25 pm
Labelling something unAustralian is unAustralian

http://www.kudelka.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ME110412.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 07:02 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Labelling something unAustralian is unAustralian

Hear, hear!

(though I have strong feelings about poor folks getting ripped off my the pokies.)
hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 07:09 pm
@msolga,
I worked in a very large suburban club - I don't think pokies rip off people in a literal sense, but some people definitely are unable to manage a flutter, get sucked in and the result is the same. Not being a gambler I don't understand the fascination. Not being a smoker I don't understand the drama about packaging.

I did see someone blog the cigarettes/pokies thing as 'an intervention for the poor dumb white community'.
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 07:36 pm
@hingehead,
Addictions are addictions.
That how I see it.
I don't think khaki packaging, or charging people more for cigarettes, say, is going to change much.
Makes a lot of handy extra money for the government, though!
A lot more of that windfall could be spent on seriously attempting to assist people to overcome these addictions.
And not all of them are "poor dumb white", by a long shot.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 08:02 pm
Defense sure do seem to have mucked things up
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 08:52 pm
@dadpad,
http://images.theage.com.au/2011/04/12/2300920/tandbergcod-620x0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 08:54 pm
@dadpad,
http://images.theage.com.au/2011/04/09/2296871/Leunig-Army-8-Apr-600x400.gif
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 11 Apr, 2011 09:01 pm
@hingehead,
http://www.kudelka.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ME110412.jpg



More potential khaki warnings:

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/04/08/2296609/gal_wilcox-600x400.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 09:21 pm
Comment, anyone?

(I've posted mine in the comments below.
115 comments to this AGE article in one morning. Pretty amazing for 1/2 a day.)


Quote:
PM takes aim at welfare
Michelle Grattan
April 14, 2011


Comments 115

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/04/14/2304953/76123_widenative-408x264.jpg
PM pushes for welfare crackdown

JULIA Gillard has vowed to use Australia's economic boom to break welfare dependency, saying next month's federal budget and the October taxation summit would drive reforms to get more people working.

In a speech last night, the Prime Minister said the nation had a special chance to ''entrench a new culture of work and opportunity in families and communities who have been denied this for so long''.

''Every Australian should pull his or her own weight,'' Ms Gillard declared. ''It's not fair for taxpayers to pay for someone who can support themselves.''

Her speech, ''The Dignity of Work'', strongly reinforced her message that the May 10 budget will contain major reforms, with ministers looking at ways to reduce the number of people on the disability support pension, which at around 800,000 Australians, is vastly more than the number receiving unemployment benefits.

But the Prime Minister's agenda is also wider, targeting youth and general unemployment and underemployment.

The government will use the October 4-5 tax summit - forced on Labor as part of its deal with country independent MPs - to push change, making the issue of improving work incentives in the tax and transfer systems a central debate.

Ms Gillard has frequently referred to the value of work this year, and linked it with her personal values.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has also urged big changes to get people off welfare, including mandatory work-for-the-dole for the long-term jobless under 50, and a new benefit for people whose disabilities can be readily treated.

The two leaders agree on the objective, with the argument in coming months to be about the best means.

In her speech to the Sydney Institute last night, Ms Gillard said Labor was ''politically, spiritually, even literally the party of work. The party of work not welfare, the party of opportunity not exclusion, the party of responsibility not idleness.''

She said the reality of Australia was that there were people who could work but did not.

Australia's boom, with its unprecedented demand for skills and labour, created a quite different policy environment from earlier periods. ''I want to help individuals, families, and communities whose worklessness has seen them excluded from society and the economy through decades of economic growth,'' she said.

''It's not right to leave people on welfare and deny them access to opportunity.''

She stressed that not everyone on a welfare benefit could work, and that some others could not work immediately. Some needed practical help to overcome ill health or meet family responsibilities.

Today's unemployment rate is at 4.9 per cent, which economists regard as full employment. Ms Gillard said she saw low unemployment as ''a new opportunity to break persistent cycles of social and economic exclusion''.

''Our economy needs more workers, many Australians need work and our Labor values impel us to put the two together,'' Ms Gillard said.

''Welfare reform and workforce participation is an area where the facts of our economy, the demands of our society, new progressive policy and core Labor values can truly come together in a virtuous circle,'' she said, recalling the words of legendary Labor prime ministers John Curtin and Ben Chifley on the value of work.

Ms Gillard said reforms she had made in education had been based on high expectations ''and I am extending this campaign of high expectations to welfare as well''.

''I will fight the prejudice that says some people's lot is drawing a fortnightly cheque, that we shouldn't expect anything more of them,'' she said. ''Relying on welfare to provide opportunity is no longer the right focus for our times.''

Reforms aimed at improving workforce participation would not only nurture the boom but also ensure the opportunities the boom created ''are felt across our country and for years to come''.


http://www.theage.com.au/national/pm-takes-aim-at-welfare-20110413-1de71.html?comments=115#comments
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 09:52 pm
@msolga,
Full circle as far as remote indigenous employment goes, Labour stopped Centrelink from using the stick of stopping payment for non-compliance early in the first term - making it almost impossible to get a certain cohort to attend any sort of skilling program. Will be interesting to see if there are any changes to IEP and CDEP
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 10:05 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Will be interesting to see if there are any changes to IEP and CDEP


Do you (or Mrs H) anticipate any changes, hinge?

What would be the best/worst case senarios? (I confess I know too little about these programs.)


Quote:
Indigenous Employment Program

The objective of the reformed Indigenous Employment Program (IEP) is to increase Indigenous Australians employment outcomes and participation in economic activities, contributing to the Governments commitment to halving the gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous employment outcomes within a decade.

The IEP supports a broad range of activities that are responsive to the needs of employers, Indigenous Australians and their communities. Support is available for activities that help to achieve the objective of the IEP and that offer value for money. These could include activities that will:

http://www.deewr.gov.au/indigenous/employment/programs/iep/Pages/default.aspx

Quote:
The Community Development Employment Projects (CDEP) program strengthens Indigenous communities and supports Indigenous people in remote areas through community development and participation opportunities that develop skills, improve capacity, work readiness and employability and link with local priorities.

CDEP is one of the key Indigenous employment programs contributing to the Australian Government’s aim of halving the gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous employment within a decade.

Following consultations across Australia, reforms to Indigenous employment services in remote areas including the CDEP program were announced on 19 December 2008 and commenced on 1 July 2009.

http://www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/services/cdep.htm
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 10:31 pm
@msolga,
Worst case is that things stay the way they are.

Best case:
If Centrelink can once again hold non-payment over participants they might actually attend a JSA programme, and if JSA's can deliver something worthwhile there's more of a chance that a participant will gain a life or work skill(s) that will make them employable, and if they get a job there's a chance they might hold onto it, building their self-esteem and showing their kids that working for a living is possible.

Lots of ifs. Wins are few and far between. Kudos to the Navy that participated in a program to mentor some indigenous youth into literacy and related programs so that they completed the educational qualifications necessary to join the navy (rather than lowering the requirements because they were indigenous). A small win, and massively expensive, but think of what it will mean to their kids and families to have a parent who has purpose, self-esteem and motivation - rather than sinking into the despair hole and slowly substance abusing themselves to death.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 10:51 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Best case:
If Centrelink can once again hold non-payment over participants they might actually attend a JSA programme, and if JSA's can deliver something worthwhile there's more of a chance that a participant will gain a life or work skill(s) that will make them employable, and if they get a job there's a chance they might hold onto it, building their self-esteem and showing their kids that working for a living is possible.

That makes a lot of sense, hinge.
Especially "if JSA's can deliver something worthwhile".
That seems to be the crux of the matter to me.
I have seen so many (non-indigenous, admittedly) bullshit programs which look more like busy work for the forced participants than anything else.

Any thoughts about what this new policy might mean for the broad Oz population on welfare/disability etc. payments?

Not only you, hinge, anyone else who might want to comment, too.
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 13 Apr, 2011 11:00 pm
@msolga,
It's not a space I have much contact with, but it does seem to me that the non-indigenous unemployed are either in temporary unemployment or are the rugged and the buggered. I can't see dropping unemployment much. Would like to know how many of the unemployed are mentally ill, socially dysfunctional, or coping with physical ailments and disabilities that make inflexible employment impossible for them.
 

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