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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 07:45 pm
Tap, tap, tap.
When will this be decided?
I can't hang around in Aus forever. I need to move on to other elections.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 07:52 pm
@realjohnboy,
Ha!
Good morning, RJB!

(I think (well I certainly hope! ) you'll be able to move on soon!
How does tomorrow, or Tuesday, sound to you? Smile
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 11:16 pm
@dadpad,
dad said wrote:
Bob Katter for speaker?


Not a chance, he only turns up for about a fifth of parliamentary sittings anyway. The libs can have him. Insiders interesting this morning. Fact is Julia and Labor are handling this much better. Julia is focusing on the independents, Tony still thinks he's in election mode.

Love what Wilkie did, and I do believe it was unintentional. We should be grateful the four indies seem to be taking into consideration the greater good, not just the local good.

Insiders also damning of the Australian's partisanship. The poll that showed rural Australia would prefer the ALP in govt wasn't reported for six days. The panel agreed it wasn't published because the Aus didn't like what is said. Die Rupert Die.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 11:32 pm
@hingehead,
Interesting. What hasn't been discussed at all in the media is how extensive a "rural backlash" there's been against the Nationals. (Formerly know as The Country Party). It looks like many country people couldn't bring themselves to vote for the Liberal alternative, either. (Four of the independents - including Crooks in WA - are in "traditional" conservative country areas. Usually such seats are held held by the Nationals. Bob Brown has said the Greens have done pretty well out of this disenchantment, too. Too me, this makes Labor's deal with the Greens look a far more credible arrangement than the so-called "coalition" of the Libs & Nationals. (Besides, many of the Greens' voters were formerly the left of the Labor party, who gave up in despair when the ALP moved so far to the right.)
Eorl
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 09:50 pm
@msolga,
This is the calm before and after the storm.

Hmmm... sounds a bit cyclonic.

From all the public hints I've heard, it has to be Gillard PM.
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 5 Sep, 2010 09:56 pm
@Eorl,
Apparently Windsor is saying tomorrow they announce something (Annabel Crabb tweet)
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 02:19 am
@hingehead,
Yep. AM said it would most likely be Tuesday, plus the AGE & the ABC news online said so, too ... so it must be Tuesday. Right?

By golly, it'd better be! Smile
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 02:23 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
Apparently Windsor is saying tomorrow they announce something (Annabel Crabb tweet)


Ha, but this something could be to announce they need further deliberations! Wink


Shocked
Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 04:42 am
@msolga,
I reckon 99% chance tomorrow. 80% chance it's labor "win".
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 04:46 am
@Eorl,
Ha. I'm not sure that it will be tomorrow, Eorl, though that's what the ABC keeps telling us is likely!
I'm sticking by my earlier predictions of Oakeshott & Windsor going with Labor & Katter being an "anything is possible".
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 04:53 am
Another prediction: I suspect we won't be seeing Barnaby Joyce being nearly so prominent in the National Party for too much longer after the election result has been finalized.

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/09/05/1225914/484521-cartoon-bill-leak-060910.jpg
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 05:19 am
So .... maybe it will actually be tomorrow then?:

Quote:
Done deal: independents, leaders agree on last hurdle
September 6, 2010 - 5:32PM
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/09/04/1906758/Rob%20Oakeshott-420x0.jpg
Decisions, decisions ... Rob Oakeshott in his Parliament House office. Photo: Richard Briggs

The three rural independent MPs have reached agreement with both major parties on reforming parliamentary procedures.

The Member for Lyne, Rob Oakeshott - who outlined the changes with his fellow independent, Tony Windsor, Labor’s leader of the house, Anthony Albanese, and the Coalition’s manager of opposition business, Christopher Pyne - heralded the reforms as a "positive change for parliamentary democracy".

The breakthrough came after Mr Oakeshott had indicated earlier this afternoon that talks with Opposition Leader Tony Abbott had hit a snag.

Mr Oakeshott said the reforms would mean a bigger role for backbench MPs to be able to better represent their local electorates.

There would be time limits placed on parliamentary answers to make for "a more vibrant" Question Time, as well as an independent speaker.

He said former speakers, including the former Nationals leader Ian Sinclair, and former independent MP Ted Mack, had been consulted during the past fortnight on the nature of the reforms.

Mr Albanese said the changes would "increase democratic accountability of the parliament" that would make it a "better place".

Mr Pyne said although the reforms had experienced "a difficult birth", they would make political exchanges a far more productive exercise.

He lamented that more had not been done during the term of the Howard government.

Yesterday, Mr Pyne, said he was worried some of the reforms could "inadvertently strengthen the executive" at the opposition's expense.

Mr Pyne met Mr Oakeshott for an hour earlier today to discuss the sticking points, which include the role of the Speaker and the "pairing" of votes in the lower house.

A spokesman for Mr Pyne later described the meeting as "very positive".

Labor signed on to all the proposed parliamentary reforms on Saturday, but the independents are demanding both parties agree to the one final document.


http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/done-deal-independents-leaders-agree-on-last-hurdle-20100906-14xj3.html
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 05:22 am
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/09/06/1908971/Petty06-600x400.gif
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Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 05:58 am
@msolga,
This is what I'm sayin' Smile
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 06:31 am
@Eorl,
That it'll be tomorrow, Eorl?
Yes, that's what I've saying too. That's what I told RJB on the weekend & I'd really, really hate to be wrong! Wink
All the same, I find it hard to believe that this saga will ever end! It's rather like Days Of Our Lives, isn't it? Laughing
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 03:06 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
I suspect we won't be seeing Barnaby Joyce being nearly so prominent in the National Party for too much longer


Barnaby only rose to prominence because he had the power to block the full sale of Telstra by crossing the floor of the senate. He stayed there because he's a walking punchline and the media love that. I think Tony chose him for the inner shadow cabinet because he needed a known face (Rudd had Garrett) apart from Hockey.

I think your suspicion may be correct, but not because of his 'monkeyness'. What happens if Tony doesn't get the PMship? Clearly they'll stick with him - but can he constrain his real self until the next election? If Labor holds on they will win the next election, if the coming blood spill of the NSW rights handling of the campaign, isn't too messy - in fact it may even have the appearance of the ALP 'sweeping out the faceless men'.

Fact is the economy is going to continue prospering whoever is in power.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 09:03 pm
3pm today apparently.

Apparently Crooke's lack of commitment to not block coalition supply is a factor pushing independents to ALP.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 10:10 pm
Huh? Katter's gone coalition - in his own press conference breaking away from Oakeshott and Windsor which means they will probably go ALP. Maybe.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 10:12 pm
74 all. 75 all still possible. No-one is talking about who would be speaker?
laughoutlood
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 11:32 pm
@hingehead,
yea, verily labor

 

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