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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 02:52 pm
@dadpad,
Quote:
....In 2003 Wilkie resigned from his position in the ONA, an Australian intelligence agency, over concerns that intelligence was being misrepresented for political purposes in making the case for Australia's contribution to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. ...


(In other words we were being lied to... he resigned after having gone (very) public over this after receiving much public flack from Howard & co.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wilkie
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 02:56 pm
@Deckland,
I think Bob's best hope is not to have to make a decision, which he wouldn't have to in your scenario. That way his people can maintain the illusion that he isn't a sellout and is working hard for them.

That said I think we are getting carried away with what the indies are committing too. Basically 'joining the govt' is nothing more than a commitment to pass supply, and to not vote for any 'spurious' no confidence motions.

If I was an indie I would be determining is who is most likely to give me what I want to get a bill passed? That's where the payoff is. Which can also translate to 'which side won't think what I want will turn off their voters'. Which is why I've always thought that the ALP is in a better position. Consensus sits better with them. They have a more conciliatory-seeming leader (having dumped one that wasn't) and the indies have already rejected the conservate party machine because they couldn't work in it.

The trick for Julia and Labor is, if they get minority govt, can they perform well enough to swing voters back to them (or at least can Tony turn them off LNP). I think the signs are pretty good that she could.
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 04:35 pm
Oh fricking hell!
From the Oz
Dad who took out ALP MP Jon Sullivan recants
AFTER Robert Murphy made an impassioned plea about failings in the health system in the crucial 48 hours before the federal election, Labor Party heavyweights drew breath and feared the worst.

The unemployed Brisbane factory hand, a father of two, sounded credible and struck a chord at a public forum of political candidates when he spoke of a two-year delay for specialist attention his six-year-old son, Bailey, needed.

"It's taken two years for my son - to take him to the doctor to get him diagnosed - because we don't have the money to actually go and pay for a specialist to get him diagnosed so he can get the proper help that he needs at school. He's undiagnosed," Mr Murphy told the federal Labor parliamentarian, Jon Sullivan, during a live broadcast hosted by ABC radio's Madonna King.

In one of the greatest gaffes of the election campaign - a gaffe that Bob Hawke said had cost Labor the seat and might still result in a change of government - Mr Sullivan replied to Mr Murphy: "What parent would wait two years to get a child, who they believe has a disability, to get to a specialist?"

Now, however, Mr Murphy wants to set the record straight. He admits he was being less than truthful when he spoke up.

Mr Murphy told The Australian yesterday that over the past three years since their move to Queensland from Victoria, he and his wife, Michelle, had not been on any long waiting lists to see a specialist. They have barely waited at all. And the specialists have said there is nothing wrong with Bailey.

"I was a little bit confused when I spoke up, and what I said was stupid," he said.

"We were not waiting for two years. We are not on any waiting lists and we have never been on any waiting lists."

The couple has seen a pediatrician at a private hospital in Caboolture, 50km north of Brisbane, at least twice. They have seen another pediatrician at the local public hospital twice, after a wait of mere weeks. They did not bother to turn up for their last appointment. And none of it had been a struggle. Mr Murphy, who flew to Brisbane from Melbourne the day before the forum, received funding from a Brisbane agency to ensure he and his wife could afford the $180 gap payment.

"I want everyone to understand that what I said was not what I meant to say," he said yesterday.

"I feel sick in the stomach every time I think about it . . . I didn't expect that it would cause this much controversy. If I could turn back time and take back what I said, I would do it. The real problem was the pediatricians keep telling us that Bailey is fine - that there's absolutely nothing wrong with him. We don't believe that.

"We want a different diagnosis so that his school can get the funding to give him special attention."

Mr Murphy's wife, Michelle, said the public hospital pediatrician who saw Bailey was "useless", while the private sector pediatrician was "arrogant".

"We have seen so many doctors in Queensland," she said. "I wanted to hit Rob for saying what he said. I'm not really sure what he meant to say, but he was not deliberately trying to stuff everything up. We feel kind of bad about it if it might change the government."

Queensland Labor state secretary Anthony Chisholm said yesterday: "I remember it well - it cost us a seat. What a disaster."

Labor Party internal polling had pegged the seat of Longman as a highly probable win for Mr Sullivan in the days before the public forum.

But the subsequent backlash crippled his electoral prospects, which "just ran out of control". If Julia Gillard fails to form a government, the Labor-voting Mr Murphy fears he would be held partly responsible for the party's demise.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 04:38 pm
@hingehead,
That is bizarre, hingehead!
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 04:46 pm
@realjohnboy,
Indeed it is. He calls himself stupid, but I think it highlights the stupidity of the electorate. We are so quick to believe the worst for the adrenalin rush.

Still Sullivan's response was very 'impolitic'. But his instinct for the truth was right.

I feel like a sports commentator. The 'one percenters' counted.
Deckland
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 07:51 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

I think Bob's best hope is not to have to make a decision, which he wouldn't have to in your scenario. That way his people can maintain the illusion that he isn't a sellout and is working hard for them.


Good point hingehead, its a win win for Bob. Support the coalition and get
a bag of lollies for his electorate, or let the other two amigos support the
ALP and still come out smelling of roses.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:15 pm
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201009/r632008_4313797.jpg
Political purgatory exposes the ugly election
Annabel Crab on the joke that is the Charter of Budget Honesty
Eorl
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 10:46 pm
@hingehead,
LOLKATTER
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Deckland
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 04:25 pm
Quote:
"I'm very anxious to act in concert with my colleagues," Mr Katter said yesterday.
"We may not at the end of the day act in concert, but I would be very strongly influenced by the position of my colleagues as well as I hope they would be of by my position."

Please explain !
For a minute there I thought Joh had returned.

I still think the three amigos will back the coalition. Their deep seated
convictions won't allow them to side with labor.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/backing-coalition-would-be-the-easy-option-says-independents/story-fn5z3z83-1225913984043
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 05:29 pm
@Deckland,
I'm still thinking that Windsor & Oakeshott (especially) will side with Labor. Katter is a law unto himself. Anything is possible with him.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 09:25 pm
Quote:

Polls show support for Labor minority government

Updated 42 minutes ago
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201008/r624216_4211408.jpg
Both polls favor Labor's Julia Gillard to form a minority government over the Coalition's Tony Abbott. (Reuters)

Two new opinion polls show the majority of voters want three key independent MPs to back Labor to form a minority government.

Bob Katter, Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor will spend the weekend considering which party to support to form government.

As the trio deliberate, a Newspoll survey - published by News Limited - show 47 per cent want the independents to back Labor.

The poll of 1,134 voters, conducted on Monday and Tuesday, shows 39 per cent want the Coalition to be given the chance to form government.


Meanwhile, a JWS Research poll, published in Fairfax newspapers, found 37 per cent want the country trio to support Labor.

The poll of 4,192 voters also showed support was lower for the Coalition, with 31 per cent of voters wanting the independents to side with Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.


But for 26 per cent of voters, the preferred option was to go back to the polls.

The poll found that if there was another election, the Coalition would have a small lead in the two-party-preferred vote.

However, it also showed that another election would result in a hung parliament again.


The three key independents have spent the week getting briefings from senior government bureaucrats, as well as Labor and Coalition frontbenchers.

They will not make their decision until they have finalised a document on parliamentary reforms and that could still take some days, but they do plan to decide early next week.

Federal Parliament is still deadlocked with Labor guaranteed 74 votes and the Coalition 73.

This week Labor gained the support of Melbourne Greens MP Adam Bandt and the Tasmanian independent Andrew Wilkie.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/04/3002585.htm
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Eorl
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 09:29 pm
@msolga,
I think msolga is likely right. Seems to me like convictions are far from decided in any given direction especially between two parties of the centre. Windsor's statements seem to suggest that convictions and the easy popular local choice are at odds.
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 3 Sep, 2010 11:11 pm
Lest We Forget: The myth of governmental
competence
more Tony lies.
Deckland
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 12:37 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Lest We Forget: The myth of governmental
competence
more Tony lies.

A good read hingehead, thanks.
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Deckland
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 12:47 pm
@Eorl,
Eorl wrote:

I think msolga is likely right. Seems to me like convictions are far from decided in any given direction especially between two parties of the centre. Windsor's statements seem to suggest that convictions and the easy popular local choice are at odds.

I hope you are both right. I can't believe how badly the Tony and Co want
to be anointed. The whole affair is like doing business in the middle east,
bribes being a condition of getting the job. Pretty sad really.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 06:24 pm
@Deckland,
I do hope I'm right here, but only one more sleep before the the 3 independents announce their respective decisions on which party will form government?
They said that take the weekend to ponder deeply, then announce their decisions on Monday, yes? Smile :


http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/09/03/1225914/025530-leak-katter.jpg
dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 06:26 pm
Bob Katter for speaker?
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 06:39 pm
@msolga,
Hopeful signs for Labor?:

Quote:

Windsor backs Labor on broadband

September 5, 2010/the AGE

IN A blow to the Coalition, key independent Tony Windsor has backed Labor's $43 billion national broadband network, criticising the opposition's cheaper alternative as a ''retrograde policy'' that would create a digital backwater in rural Australia.

Mr Windsor told The Sunday Age he believed Labor's national broadband network was the better of the two policies.

Mr Windsor, who was briefed by senior officials from the Department of Broadband last week, said he had been convinced that ''you do it once, you do it right, you do it with fibre''.

The comments come as Mr Windsor and the other two rural independents, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter, remain locked in negotiations with both sides to determine who they will ultimately support: Prime Minister Julia Gillard or Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

Two weeks after the election, Mr Katter and Mr Oakeshott were yesterday bunkered in their Parliament House offices in Canberra. Last night the two men were seen walking outside Parliament House in blustery conditions deep in animated conversation. A senior Coalition source said it was disappointing they were not in their electorates to gauge the mood of constituents who are ''no doubt deeply concerned about the possibility of a Greens-Labor government''.

It follows reports that Liberal and National Party members could be behind an orchestrated campaign to bombard the independents' electorate offices with phone calls from voters threatening to dump them at the next election if they side with Labor.

Mr Katter yesterday said ''all sorts of tricky stuff'' had been taking place to try to persuade him, although the calls were not a major issue
.

The three men, who are now holding talks independently, are giving little away about which side they will back, although there is a growing sense of pessimism within opposition ranks. ...<cont>



http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/windsor-backs-labor-on-broadband-20100904-14vd4.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 06:39 pm
@dadpad,
Laughing
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Sep, 2010 07:15 pm
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/09/03/1906000/Moir-600x400.jpg
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