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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 12:33 am
@laughoutlood,
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Labor clings to power

Updated 26 minutes ago
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201009/r634451_4348819.jpg
Independent MPs Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor have declared their support for a minority Labor Government. (AAP: Alan Porritt)

Independents Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott have broken Australia's political deadlock by agreeing to back Julia Gillard in a Labor minority government.

After more than a fortnight of suspense, Mr Oakeshott and Mr Windsor today revealed their intention to give Labor their crucial votes, meaning it has secured the 76 seats needed to rule.

Their decision came hot on the heels of Bob Katter, who earlier confirmed he would back the Coalition, putting it on 74 seats.


Ms Gillard is due to speak at 4:15pm (AEST) about the deal she clinched with Mr Windsor and Mr Oakeshott which will see her continue on as prime minister.

Fronting the media this afternoon both men explained their reasoning for backing Labor.

Mr Windsor said Labor's National Broadband Network and position on climate change were major factors in his decision, as well as a feeling that if he supported the Coalition it would rush to the polls.

He also made a plea to his conservative constituents not to turn away from a Labor government.

"This is about using the political system to advantage the people we represent," he said.

Mr Oakeshott said he considered who could form a more stable government, who had a better deal for the bush and who could work best with a Greens-dominated Senate when coming to his final position.

And he revealed that an offer of a ministry position had been made, but he would not confirm by which side and whether he would take up any offer.

Labor has promised a regional package as part of the deal, but the two men did not outline specific details, instead leaving that to Ms Gillard. ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/07/3005028.htm
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 12:37 am
Well that's sorted then, and this thread can remain alive!

Doubt anything you read in the Australian over this or anything to do with Windsor or Oakeshott.

Both these guys should be OAMs for the honesty with which they took this responsibility. I fear for Oakeshott though. He seems so sincere in wishing to be liked. Watch the forces of conservatism rise up in indignation.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 01:22 am
@hingehead,
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Well that's sorted then, and this thread can remain alive!


Precisely! Imagine posting to Oz Election thread #5 - Abbott's Liberals!
Shocked

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Both these guys should be OAMs for the honesty with which they took this responsibility.


Agreed. I've felt that way for quite a while now, over these past excruciating past 17 days. They both did their best. They rose to the occasion, the extraordinary demands placed on them

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I fear for Oakeshott though. He seems so sincere in wishing to be liked.


I think it's more than wishing to be liked. I think he's genuinely tried to do the best he can come up with in the circumstances. He's a little naive, but I'll bet you he learns pretty fast. He's going to cop a few hard knocks!

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Watch the forces of conservatism rise up in indignation.


Yes. But I have no doubt that Julia will bend over backwards to make this minority government work & perform as credibly as possible under the circumstances. Her political future depends on it. It will be a rocky road, though.
You know, I actually feel more comfortable about Julia & the Labor government relying on the support of Wilkie, Oakeshott, Windsor & the Greens, as opposed to being a puppet of the ALP Right warlords. I think that's a much more positive position for this Labor government (as difficult as it will be).

msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 02:46 am
@msolga,
Fairfax (Age/SMH) poll, begun immediately after the independents' decision:

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Poll: Did Rob Oakeshott and Tony Windsor make the right decision?

Yes: 55%

No: 45%

Total votes: 41889.

Poll closes in 2 days.
dadpad
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:41 am
Just lucky the floods were on or the press wouldnt have had anything to chatter about for the last two or three days.
When there isnt any news they make it up.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 01:39 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:


You know, I actually feel more comfortable about Julia & the Labor government relying on the support of Wilkie, Oakeshott, Windsor & the Greens, as opposed to being a puppet of the ALP Right warlords. I think that's a much more positive position for this Labor government (as difficult as it will be).


Okay. It remains unclear to me how long Ms. Giland can keep this fragile coalition together. I think that, from my faraway vantage point, this seems like the best outcome.
I am on a "virtual" flight home. Perhaps I'll be back sometime next year, though.
Thanks to all of you for letting me watch.
The U.S. elections may be next up. But I could end up in Italy first as yet another government may fall there.
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:31 pm
@msolga,
I'm guessing the Australian won't print those poll results either.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:28 pm
@realjohnboy,
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I am on a "virtual" flight home. Perhaps I'll be back sometime next year, though.
Thanks to all of you for letting me watch.


Waving goodbye. <sniffle>
And thanks for your ongoing interest & participation, RJB. (Quite an unusual thing from the other side of the planet! Wink )

A brief comment on my words which you quoted. This is my personal view. Other Oz posters here may have considerable disagreement with that view!

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You know, I actually feel more comfortable about Julia & the Labor government relying on the support of Wilkie, Oakeshott, Windsor & the Greens, as opposed to being a puppet of the ALP Right warlords. I think that's a much more positive position for this Labor government (as difficult as it will be).


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The U.S. elections may be next up. But I could end up in Italy first as yet another government may fall there.


OK, now that our post-election excitement is over, I'll be able to more closely follow your pre-election excitement! Smile
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:45 pm
@hingehead,
Good morning, hinge!

So how are you seeing the prospects of our new government today?
As wild & as rocky a ride as many are predicting?
Call me strange this morning Wink , but I don't necessarily think it has to be this way. But I think it's what the conservatives dearly HOPE will happen! And will do their level best (with a little help from Rupert's Oz media outlets) to try to ensure that it does!

I have a bee in my bonnet about all the comment about Winsdor & Oakeshott having "deserted their constituents" by siding with Labor. (In fact I've just posted a letter to the editor of my newspaper of choice about this very thing! - Ha! At it again! Razz )
It's absolute rubbish. Oakeshott & Windsor have delivered the best deal in years to country Australians! What did they get from Howard's coalition government's control of both the house of representatives AND the senate between 2004 -2007? No wonder country voters have deserted the Nationals in droves!

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...In the space of 17 days, Windsor and Oakeshott have delivered more for regional Australia - in health, education and infrastructure - than some National Party MPs contributed in the entire life of the Howard government. That must rankle.


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/both-leaders-face-big-challenges-none-bigger-than-gillards-20100907-14zl8.html?autostart=1
ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:51 pm
@msolga,
mebbe they should have skipped the election and just gone straight to this poll
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:03 pm
@ehBeth,
Haha, indeed, Beth!

Well we certainly got to know a damn sight more about the 2 major parties & the implications of their policies (or lack of) by the end of this excruciating 17 day process! Thank you so much, independents! Wink

I actually think this was all rather healthy. (Though pretty stressful!) Others here may disagree, though. I really like the idea of the two party deadlock being considerably weakened. A breath of fresh air at last!
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:33 pm
@msolga,
From the front page of (Rupert Murdoch's) The Australian.
I can't say I'm surprised.
Neutral

Has it ever occurred to the conservatives, I wonder, that the Greens, Andrew Wilkie, Tony Windsor & Rob Oakeshott might actually possess a bit of intelligence?
That they might just be astute enough to understand that this is not the time to push a minority government with wildly difficult demands?
That it is in their own interests to for this government to see out its full term?
That this Labor government will have no choice but to take a softly softly approach?

Nope, the conservatives are hoping & praying for chaos ... & an early election.

I suspect that, if the Liberals & their supporter DO pursue a destabilizing agenda, you never know, there might just be a public backlash against them. I think many of us have had enough of oppositions who oppose everything. We had quite enough of that in the last parliament & look where that got us.

Some of us simply want the government to get on with the job of governing. And, let's face it, there was very little in policy differences between Labor & the Liberals' policies during the campaign. :


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A recipe for gridlock
Paul Kelly, Editor-at-large
From: The Australian
September 08, 2010 12:00AM

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2010/09/07/1225915/588283-gillard-second-chance.jpg
Prime Minister Julia Gillard with Governor-General Quentin Bryce at Government House in Canberra. Picture: Foote David Source: The Australian

SUBLIME chaos after a 17-day delay has seen two rural independents save Julia Gillard's prime ministership and rescue Labor's political neck.

The price will be weak and uncertain government under a strange political beast: a Labor-Green-independent rainbow alliance.

Gillard will have a minority in both the House and Senate. The 2-1 split yesterday among the rural independents has given Gillard the tightest possible 76-74 floor majority. This may keep Labor in power for a full term but legislative gridlock and timid policy are looming.

Despite the talk of sunshine, the legacy is more likely to be bad political blood, a war between the pro-Labor rural independents and the Nationals, and a guaranteed Tony Abbott-led Coalition campaign that the Gillard government is without legitimacy.

Despite the margin, Gillard is elected Prime Minister in her own right and will emerge with enhanced standing and authority.

Abbott could not have come closer to power.

In the end the Liberal leader fell short of a miracle victory and is likely to become a formidable opposition leader.

The two pro-Labor independents, Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott, performed a dual feat.

The NSW regional MPs delivered Labor office and their purpose was to deny the Australian people a second election.

The shadow overhanging the Gillard-Green-independent agreement is the guarantee of a full three-year parliament.

This is inconsistent with the Australian constitution and potentially contrary to the national interest in a parliament that may become ineffective.

The reluctance to recognise the right of the people to decide this issue during the next three years is politically and ethically dubious.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/a-recipe-for-gridlock/story-fn59niix-1225915594603
hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:51 pm
@msolga,
The Australian has been completely partisan in this election. An absolute disgrace. I expect it will do more to undermine the new parliament than the LNP.

Basic tenet of wisdom: You don't change anyone's mind by yelling at them.

Of course I'm still trying to get over Tony's line of this being 'the worst government ever' how is that justifiable/provable?

Also appalled by the idea that the government killed some tradesman's assistants in the roof insulation scheme. If that were true why aren't Abbott and co in jail for our Iraq conflict dead, or for locking up Cornelia Rau, or anyone of a hundred other fallouts from the Howard years?

hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:24 pm
Arbib's exit as faction chieftain 'his decision'
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Senator Arbib told confidants yesterday he planned to make the transition out of his role as national convener for the Right.

Sources close to Senator Arbib, the Minister for Employment Participation, stressed it was his own decision and not the result of criticism directed at the leadership of the Right


Well that's believable. Rolling Eyes
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:36 pm
@hingehead,
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The Australian has been completely partisan in this election. An absolute disgrace. I expect it will do more to undermine the new parliament than the LNP.


Agreed. Where would the Coalition campaign have been without the conservative media? The Laurie Oaks leaks, the constant focus on Labor disunity, the Latham nonsense receiving so much attention ... ?
The media ran the "campaign" for the Liberals.
Policy-wise there was very little difference between the two parties. In fact, scrutiny of policies took a very poor second place to this type of negative focus.

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Basic tenet of wisdom: You don't change anyone's mind by yelling at them.


And you don't change anyone's mind by flogging a dead horse, either. The 2010 election is over. People have had enough. We are all thoroughly sick & tired of being in non-stop campaign mode. I honestly think that there'd be savage payback from the electorate should the conservations actually bring about an early election via disrupting Labor's ability to govern & making parliament "unworkable".

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Of course I'm still trying to get over Tony's line of this being 'the worst government ever' how is that justifiable/provable?


But I thought (according to the conservatives) that the Whitlam government was? Wink
I'm wondering if this Labor government will be faced with much the same ongoing destabilization & innuendo as the Whitlam government was .... the requirement from the conservative press to constantly justify itself? If so, I suspect it won't work. Because there was a huge difference between the policies of Whitlam & Fraser. (As I keep saying, Labor & the Libs were not that much different, policy-wise, during this campaign.)
No, they'll eventually have to find other, new angles, I think ... the odd "scandal" or "exposure" of dirty dealings, perhaps?

But, as you've mentioned before, hinge, will Abbott be able to maintain his new Mr Nice & Reasonable personae in the parliament? That'll be a real test for him. He escaped anything remotely resembling the ferocious scrutiny which was applied to Gillard during this last campaign. Now we'll get to see the "new Abbott" in action for ourselves! Wink
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:38 pm
@hingehead,
Really? Surprised

Hooray! Very Happy

Now what about the rest of the team? Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:08 pm
OK.
Morning rant over.
I feel better now. Wink
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:11 pm
Congratulations . . . i guess. Ain't coalition government a wonderful thing?
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:19 pm
@Setanta,

Thank you!
Very early days (as you can see), Setanta.
But worse things could have happened! Wink
Cross your fingers for us, OK?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 07:40 pm
@msolga,
A good rant Olga, and I'm nodding in agreement.

Found a nice line somewhere on the blurring between the parties (which the indies were at pains to underline yesterday).

Who won, the reft or the light?
 

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