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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 01:46 am
Things getting more confusing instead of less so?
Join the club!
Here's Antony Green's latest blog on the ABC ..


Quote:
August 31, 2010

Who Won the National 2-Party Preferred Vote?

Answer, we don't know and we won't know for several weeks.

But one thing I do know is that the figure currently displayed on the front page of the Australian Electoral Commission's (AEC's) Virtual Tally Room is NOT the national 2-party preferred vote. ......<cont>


http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2010/08/who-won-the-national-2-party-preferred-vote.html
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dadpad
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 04:21 am
@msolga,
Quote:
Mr Wilkie told The Age in Hobart last night. ''It's confidential, and unacceptable to me

All deals accepted or unacceptable should be public knowledge.
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 05:34 am
@dadpad,
Yes, I agree.
Now he 's spoken to both parties, received his responses ... & will hold further talks tomorrow ...:


Quote:
Wilkie to hold new meeting with Gillard advisers
Updated 1 hour 44 minutes ago

Independent MP Andrew Wilkie says he now has offers from both major parties, but remains undecided on who he will support to form a minority government.

Mr Wilkie, one of four independents who will hold the balance of power in a hung parliament, has held two meetings with both Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott.

"I've now got a written response from both of them," he said.

Mr Wilkie yesterday said he was unconvinced by Ms Gillard's detailed offer.

He now says he will hold another meeting with a few of the Prime Minister's advisers to discuss "one particular area".


"It's not with the Prime Minister personally," he said. ....


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/01/2999953.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 05:39 am
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/09/01/1891794/the-doldrums-620x0.jpg
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 07:10 am
Breaking news !!!

Treasury says the coalitions figures are out by 11 billion dollars over 4 years.

Apparently made public by the 3 amoebas.
Deckland
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 12:37 pm
Quote:
$10b Treasury blow to Opposition Leader Tony Abbott
TONY Abbott's budget credibility was under fire last night with Treasury saying there was an error
of up to $10.6 billion in his election promises.
snip
Treasury said Labor would improve the bottom-line by $106 million - double its prediction of $44 million.
snip
A spokesman for Treasurer Wayne Swan said: ``This huge costings blackhole finally proves why
Mr Abbott and Joe Hockey abandoned Peter Costello's charter of budget honesty.
The Gillard Government's economic credentials were boosted by the Bureau of Statistics
saying the economy posted its best quarterly growth for three years of 1.2 per cent to be humming at an annual rate of 3.3 per cent.
snip
And predictably ..................
Mr Abbott said the Howard Government had set up the good result.
``I think that the strength of the Australian economy is fundamentally due to the reforms
of previous governments, not to the spending spree of the current government,'' Mr Abbott said.

Tony is still burying his head in the sand over the "stimulus" package which leads me to believe " work choices " will rear
its ugly head under a different name or by different means should he become chief monk.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/b-treasury-blow-to-opposition-leader-tony-abbott/story-fn5ko0pw-1225913036545
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:22 pm
@Eorl,
Reading now. Just got up.
This could explain why the Libs were so reluctant to allow their costings to be released! Wink

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/7bn-hole-in-abbotts-policy-costings-20100901-14nrb.html
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:37 pm
@msolga,
Even the Australian says so. It must be true! Wink

Good on the independents.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/treasury-finds-7bn-hole-in-tony-abbotts-costings/story-fn59niix-1225913036857
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:56 pm
Watching the ABC's live online news . A commentator (who?) is saying he's becoming frustrated with the independents. If the Libs costings are so far out, how come they don't consider this their deciding factor? What more do they need? He says he's becoming extremely tired of hearing: "This process has only just begun .." from them.
I tend to agree. But I can also see that they want to be seen to have gone through a very thorough process before announcing their decision. Their credibility is at stake. And if they stuff up they'll be held accountable.
It will be interesting to see what positive spin Abbott can possibly put on this today. Or, more to the point, what dirt the Libs can come up with to counter the damage.
I hope Wilkie is paying attention!

Gotta leave it here now & get ready for work.

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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:56 pm
More death knell news for the Tony Joe Liar economics 101 brigade:
http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/09/01/were-approaching-boom-levels-of-growth-abs/

msolga
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 02:59 pm
@hingehead,
Yes, indeed.

Morning, hinge.
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 03:02 pm
@msolga,
Morning olgs. Another day on rudderless ship Oz?
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 03:09 pm
@hingehead,
Ha. Looks like it!
No one's at the helm! God help us all!
We forget, don't we, that a hung parliament is not necessarily some monumental disaster. Wink

Gotta run.
Fingers crossed that Labor benefits from the momentum today ...


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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 08:50 pm
Another story that didn't come out in the election\
Source: Crikey
Want disclosure independents? Then tell us who donated to your campaign
Who donated to Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott, Bob Katter and Andrew Wilkie before the election that made them some of the most powerful individuals in the country?

For that matter, how much did the mining and tobacco industries give to the Liberals? How much did the unions give to Labor?

We don’t know, and may never know, due to our nonsensical election donation disclosure laws.

The earliest we will know — unless a donor reveals themselves, as Dean Mighell did to the AFR in saying the ETU donated to Bob Katter — is February next year. For donations made after 30 June, we won’t know until February 2012 — halfway to the next poll.

And even then, we’ll only find out about donations if they’re around $11,000 or over, thanks to the Howard Government’s iniquitous changes to the electoral disclosure laws. Changes the Rudd Government tried to reverse, only to be blocked by the Liberals, the Nationals and Steve Fielding, in one of the most shameful episodes of the previous Parliament.

As it stands, our Federal politicians are treating voters with contempt. There is no excuse for not moving immediately to remedy this glaring example of political self-interest.

In the interim, every party and MP should reveal a full list of their donors, at least down to the $1000 level, for both the last financial year and prior to the election.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2010 11:40 pm
WILKE GOES ALP !!!
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 12:55 am
Yes, indeed he did!
What a pleasure to hear his media conference as I drove home.
But he has made it clear that he backs Labor purely because he sees them as the best bet for stable government. And that he has reservations about a number of Labor's policies .. he specifically mentioned Labor's policy on asylum seekers in his address. (Good on him!)
His support means he will vote to guarantee supply & vote against any motion of no confidence in a Labor government during the next parliament. Nothing more. He says he intends to pursue his own agenda in parliament as an independent.

So now Labor requires only two of the remaining 3 independents' endorsements to form government. My hunch is that Oakeshott is a "definite", Windsor is a "likely" & Katter ... well who knows?
I'm thinking that, after all the publicity these three independents have received, he might as well go along with Oakeshott & Windsor (if they do, in fact, support Labor), because his solo vote for the coalition wouldn't change the final result.


Quote:
Wilkie backs Gillard government
Updated 40 minutes ago
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201008/r628368_4264633.jpg

Andrew Wilkie says a future Gillard government will have his vote on matters of supply. (AAP: Joe Castro)

Independent MP Andrew Wilkie has announced he will back a Labor minority government.

His decision means Labor has 74 definite seats, two short of the majority needed to secure power.

The Coalition is at 73 seats if West Australian Nationals MP Tony Crook is included.


Mr Wilkie's decision comes as the other three independent MPs are locked in meetings today while they consider who they will back.

Rob Oakeshott, Tony Windsor and Bob Katter are today locked in back-to-back meetings in Canberra with Labor and Coalition figures as they work out which party to back in a minority government.

The trio have also had lunch with mining magnate Andrew "Twiggy" Forrest, who is strenuously opposed to Labor's mining tax.

Mr Oakeshott says he is likely to use the weekend to come to a final position.

"I've been quite open about more than likely pulling something together over the weekend," he said.

"I think we're all looking to hopefully at the latest be home by Monday or Tuesday, but there are some realities in regards to funerals of returning soldiers from Afghanistan, so tomorrow is going to be a difficult day for negotiations to take place."

Mr Oakeshott also wants a document on parliamentary reform to be finalised by tomorrow before he makes a final decision.


Negotiations continue today after the independents released Treasury analysis that showed a $7 billion to $11 billion shortfall in the Coalition's election policy costings.

Mr Oakeshott says Treasury's advice will influence his decision.

"I'm a believer in Ken Henry," he said.


Mr Windsor says he will also factor the Treasury advice into his decision.

"Treasury have their way of doing it. They've come up with this number of between $7 billion and $11 billion."

"We can only take their word for it."


But Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey says he stands by the costings.

"The vast majority of our policies were ticked off," he said.

"We submitted more than 300 policies totalling in excess of $90 billion. The number of policies is nearly three times what Labor submitted."


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/02/3000874.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 02:26 am
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/09/02/1897488/moir2-620x0.jpg
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dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 03:53 am
Many press articals refer to wilkie the "whistle blower".

I have a vauge reccolection of seeing something about this in the past but not sure.
Whats the story there?
Deckland
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 12:41 pm
Now consider the "three amigos" ....
If two defect to the ALP, then the third will left with his "wish list"
and no power to do a deal. No wonder one of them talks about
sticking together as a bloc. Maybe he is worried about being the
one left holding an empty bag.
I also find it hard to believe they haven't yet made their minds up.
Interesting days ahead ....
hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2010 02:48 pm
@dadpad,
Hi Dad

This is from memory but Wilkie was a defence intelligence analyst under Howard in 2003 or 2004 (I think) he came out and said the WMD/Threat from Saddam was a crock and that there was no intelligence suggesting it had any weight and that Howard had lied to the public (I think the word 'misrepresented' may have been used).

Needless to say he lost his job. And Australia got on with having it's head in the sand.

Here's the wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wilkie which may or may not be more accurate!
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