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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 06:33 pm
@realjohnboy,
No, I don't think you did, RJB, though I'll check ... I think that's right.

I meant an "early election" as in Labor not seeing out it's full term in office. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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Deckland
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 08:22 pm
I still think the three Amigos will stick together.
They will never side with Labor even as dissatisfied
as they are with the coalition. After all, that's where
they had their political beginnings.
I would liked to be proved wrong though.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 08:34 pm
@Deckland,
That may or may not happen.
Anything is possible! Smile
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 09:44 pm
Quote:
Windsor, Wilkie look to seal deal this week
Updated 29 minutes ago

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201008/r628624_4267420.jpg
Tony Windsor (L) and Andrew Wilkie (R) say they aim to make their decision on who they will support this week. (AAP)

Two of the key independent MPs say they think the election deadlock can be broken by the end of the week.

Four independent MPs are currently negotiating with Labor and the Coalition over who will form a minority government.

Two of those independents, Andrew Wilkie and Tony Windsor, say they aim to make their decision on who they will support this week.

"We're entering into a range of meetings this week. I would hope that by the end of the week we should be able to make a decision," Mr Windsor told Channel Ten.

But Mr Windsor also told ABC1's Insiders that "it could take a little bit longer than that".

He also says there is a small chance Australia will go back to the polls.

"I would say there is probably a 10 per cent chance," he said.


"I don't think it is likely, because I think there is genuine intent on behalf of both of the leaders to actually try to make something work.

"If I sense that that intent isn't there or there is undermining going, on or people just want a temporary parliament so they can go back to the polls in six months time, my vote may well opt for the people to make a decision."

Mr Wilkie is also keen to see an outcome, telling Channel Nine that he will make his decision "very soon".

"I would hope to make my decision Tuesday or Wednesday - that's what the people want," he said. ....


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/29/2996462.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 09:59 pm
Meanwhile, in Darwin ...
I wonder if one side or the other will use this situation to play tough in the asylum seeker/people smugglers propaganda war? Remember "people overboard"? Neutral


Quote:
Detainees rioting at Darwin immigration centre
August 29, 2010 - 11:25AM

Detainees at Darwin's immigration detention centre have been rioting this morning, lighting fires, brandishing poles and jumping on the roofs of buildings.

The violence erupted about 4am local time when two Indonesian men facing people-smuggling charges climbed a tree at the centre and refused to come down, Immigration Department officials said.

They were joined by other Indonesian men and the situation escalated about 8am, when the rioters set fire to rubbish and mattresses they had piled up in the grounds of the centre. ...<cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/national/detainees-rioting-at-darwin-immigration-centre-20100829-13x98.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 02:46 am
Quote:
Get out of Afghanistan: Wilkie
August 29, 2010 - 1:23PM

New independent MP Andrew Wilkie says foreign troops, including Australians, should get out of Afghanistan even though that means more people will die.

But, he says, the issue wasn't among his 20 matters of concern listed in letters to Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

Mr Wilkie achieved national prominence in 2003 when he quit, as intelligence analyst, from the Office of National Assessments to attack the Howard government's reason for going to war in Iraq.

He said the lying was continuing over Afghanistan.


"What is being said by the coalition and by the Labor Party is one of the great lies of this election campaign," he told the Nine Network today.

"Both the Labor Party members and coalition members continue to perpetuate this nonsense that we are only there to fight terrorists to prevent them coming to Australia.
"

Mr Wilkie said he backed the invasion of Afghanistan back in November 2001 but the US should have stayed to take advantage of a narrow and unprecedented window of opportunity.

"Instead, very bad decisions were made to go off and prepare to do Iraq," he said.

"That created the security vacuum in which the current troubles were born."

Mr Wilkie said he didn't know the solution.

"If we stay, people will die; if we go, people will die. But I do know that peace will only come to Afghanistan when foreign troops are out and I think they should get out as soon as possible," he said.

"That will allow that country to find its natural political level."

Mr Wilkie said he served 20 years in the army, reaching the rank of lieutenant colonel with 6RAR which had lost four soldiers in Afghanistan in the past two months.

"That's upsetting for me. That's my old battalion," he said.

"I understand that some times there is a need for the just use of force. I understand that our soldiers are the best in the world and I support them 100 per cent.

"But they are, at the moment, trying to implement a policy put in place by incompetent politicians.

"Let's be honest. Let's say we are there to help the people of Afghanistan and bolster our bilateral relationship with the US."

AAP


http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/get-out-of-afghanistan-wilkie-20100829-13xbf.html
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 02:40 pm
@realjohnboy,
My understanding is that we can't go to election until parliament sits. When it does the first order of business is to elect the speaker. If that fails we go back to the polls. I think the quickest that could come is early in the new year.

I'm at a loss who'll be speaker. Neither party can afford to have one of their own not voting, and the indies have all said they want their votes to count. And even if they appointed someone from the opposition to be speaker their party wouldn't agree. I think an early poll is more and more likely.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 03:02 pm
Thanks, Hingehead. If it is all very confusing to you, imagine my head spinning.
I played scrabble last night with a lady from Sydney. She used some very strong language to describe the Independents. "Whores" was one word she tossed out.
So the BBC this afternoon reports that Ken Wyatt (Liberal) is claiming victory in Hasluck, Western Australia. He would be the 1st Aboriginal in the House of Representatives.
Mention is made about the amount of racist hate mail he has received.
The BBC says that the Libs have 73 seats to 72 for Labour. The Independents have 4 and there is 1 Green.
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 04:13 pm
@realjohnboy,
Hi RJB. You've mentioned your sydney scrabble lady before. She sounds politically clueless to me. It's like she's channelling the real Tony (who we haven't seen for ages).

We've been getting reports too about Ken Wyatt's hate mail. 'We wouldn't have voted for you if we knew you were indigenous' etc. Weird. In Australia there is no rule for 'indigenousness'. Basically if you 'identify' as indigenous then you are. There's no test. So I know quite a few blonde indigenes.

Mrs Hinge says she could understand people who voted for him being upset if he came out and said he was there to promote indigenous causes only after he was elected. It would be no different than voting for an Italian/Australian who once elected announced that he would devote his energies to the bettering of the Italian community. Nothing intrinsically wrong with it but if it's central to your platform you should mention it during your campaign. That said I'm not aware that Wyatt said anything of the sort, but I haven't been paying attention because Bob Katter delivered a speech in Yarrabah where he claimed he was indigenous, and he's been an MP since 1993.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 05:02 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
My understanding is that we can't go to election until parliament sits.


Yes, that's right.
Antony Green's election thread (link below) answers quite a few of the "often asked" hung parliament questions:

Quote:
Q: Can we go straight to another election.

No. The parliament must meet. The only way we can go straight to another election would be for the parliament to meet and be so deadlocked that no full-time government could be formed.

For instance, an election in Newfoundland in 1908 produced a dead heat. No party could form government without appointing one of their own as Speaker, which would have caused the government to lose its majority in Parliament. It seems extremely unlikely this election will produce such confusion.

The convention that the Parliament must meet was confirmed by the 1989 Tasmanian election. ....


Hung Parliament - Where to From Here?:

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2010/08/hung-parliament-where-to-from-here.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 05:57 pm
More nasty doings.
Yesterday Tony Windsor ( in an interview with Barrie Cassidy) mentioned receiving similar calls.
It's good they've gone public.
The pressure these independents must be under horrendous. :


Quote:
Oakeshott wants smear calls explained
By online political correspondent Emma Rodgers
Updated 57 minutes ago


http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201008/r626309_4238094.jpg
'Rambo-style calls': Rob Oakeshott (right) (ABC News: Jeremy Thompson)

Key independent MP Rob Oakeshott has called on Tony Abbott to explain the behaviour of Coalition MPs who he says are trying to drum up a smear campaign against him.


The Member for Lyne has accused some politicians of briefing journalists in an attempt to run up dirt stories, and says others are making "Rambo style" phone calls to him.

Mr Oakeshott has described a phone call from a Liberal MP, in which the MP told Mr Oakeshott's wife that "the devil" was calling, as "concerning".

And he says the Opposition Leader must explain what is going on.

"Is this a strategic move to try and destabilise this whole process, destabilise government, spend up to $50 million of Australians' taxpayers money in going back to the ballot box?" he told Radio National.

"If that is the game, it needs to be flushed out early.

"If we are operating in good faith, leaders need to either pull in the rogues or explain their strategy as to why they want to destabilise this thing." ..<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/30/2996808.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 06:07 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
Mr Oakeshott said Mr Abbott needed to come clean on whether the calls were part of a wider Liberal strategy.

''If these are Rambo-style phone calls that I'm receiving from loose cannons, that's fine,'' Mr Oakeshott told ABC Radio.

''But what is of deeper concern is ... is this a strategic move to try and destabilise this whole process?

''If that is the game, that needs to be flushed out early.''

Mr Oakeshott also pointed the finger at the Nationals over tabloid newspaper inquiries that were ''trying to run up dirt stories'' on him. ....


http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/oakeshott-slams-rambostyle-prank-calls-20100830-13xy5.html#poll
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 06:16 pm
Independent Andrew Wilkie's just released twenty point priority list, to be presented to Julia Gillard & Tony Abbott today:

Quote:
High-profile issues on the list include urgent action on climate change, honouring the "word and spirit" of the UN Refugee Convention and increasing all government pensions.


http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/wilkie-releases-20point-list-of-priorities-20100830-13y87.html
Eorl
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 06:24 pm
Possible scenario:

Labor 72 + Bandt + Windsor + Oakeshott + Wilke

Katter stays as rogue as he likes.

Leaves the problem of speaker, doesn't it. hmmmm.

I guess if we don't get all the indies going one way, and one of them taking speakership, it's back to the polls, with labor in caretaker 'til then.
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Eorl
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 07:41 pm
@msolga,
So I guess Abbott and Gillard get back to him with a yes/yes/no/yes response to his list and he picks the one he can live with?
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 09:04 pm
@Eorl,
Yes, something along those lines, Eorl.
And I guess he gets a pretty clear picture of which party most closely matches his own broad concerns. He is obviously not going to achieve agreement on everything he'd want, with either party.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 09:44 pm
Heffernan was the crank caller to the Oakeshott's house: http://tinyurl.com/3x8pmws
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 09:47 pm
@hingehead,
Yes?
Interesting, hinge.
I'm really glad Oakeshott & Windsor have "gone public" on this sort of bullying. Gives me a bit more confidence in them both.
I'll bet Katter isn't receiving the same treatment! Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2010 10:27 pm
As anticipated, looks like WA independent Tony Crook has sided with the Coalition.:

(plus a bit on how Heffernan was only kidding around. He just wanted to talk to Oakeshott about Broadband policy. Yeah sure .. Wink :

Quote:
....The Nationals will meet for the first time since the election in Canberra, with newly elected West Australian MP Tony Crook joining the party room for the first time.

Mr Crook, who ousted veteran Liberal MP Wilson Tuckey, has said he was not keen to join the Coalition party room, initially entertaining the idea of siding with Labor until Prime Minister Julia Gillard refused to rule out the mining tax. ..


http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/liberal-identified-as-making-rambostyle-devil-call-20100830-140ah.html?autostart=1
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 30 Aug, 2010 05:25 am
(Just read that Katter is preparing his own, separate list of demands. Interesting.:

http://images.theage.com.au/2010/08/27/1860679/moir_aug_28-600x400.jpg
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