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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
Deckland
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 12:45 pm
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Shocked

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2010/08/26/1225910/591764-abbott-costings-gallery.jpg

Hahaha .. The hat says it all ......
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 04:44 pm
This morning's Tandberg cartoon, plus a letter to the editor of the AGE newspaper.

(For those of you who aren't locals, that's the Liberal Party leadership in the cartoon with Senator Fielding.) :


http://images.theage.com.au/2010/08/27/1860868/svLETTERS_AUG28-420x0.jpg

Quote:
Irrelevant views

STEVE Fielding, desperately clinging to his last shred of irrelevance, is threatening to vote against any ALP legislation in the Senate on the basis that the electorate rejected it at the election. No, soon-to-be ex-senator Fielding, only half the country did - that's why we now have a hung parliament.

Senator Fielding, the country overwhelmingly rejected the small-minded, uber-religious-right views of Family First. If you had any respect for voters, you would honour their wishes by resigning immediately and hand the casual vacancy to the senator that Victorians have chosen instead of you.

Stephen Mead, Rowville


http://www.theage.com.au/national/letters/independents-hold-parties-hostage-20100827-13vup.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 04:53 pm
Along with the rest of us, Clarke & Dawe are waiting, waiting, waiting ...
Video from this week's 7:30 Report. :


Quote:
Video: Clarke and Dawe play the waiting game
Source: 7.30 Report
Published: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:48 AEST
Expires: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:48 AEST

John Clarke and Bryan Dawe play their own waiting game.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/08/26/2994693.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 05:07 pm
Here's the obvious problem for the independents.
The contradictions involved in representing their (conservative) electorates & "the good of the nation". :


Quote:
Voters in independents' seats want Abbott, poll shows
Updated 1 hour 10 minutes ago
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201008/r627381_4251886.jpg
Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter are considering which side to support. (AAP: Mark Graham)

A new poll shows an overwhelming number of voters in the seats of the three rural independent MPs want them to support the Coalition.

Independent MPs Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott and Bob Katter are expected to hold the balance of power in a hung parliament and have put a set of demands to the major parties as they consider which side to support.

The Newspoll published in The Weekend Australian newspaper shows the highest support for a Tony Abbott-led Coalition government is in Mr Katter's seat of Kennedy.

Fifty-six per cent of those surveyed in the north Queensland electorate prefer the Coalition, while 29 per cent support Labor.

Voters in Mr Windsor's New South Wales seat of New England favour a Coalition government by 55 per cent to 35 per cent, according to the poll.

The poll found the lowest level of Coalition support in the NSW seat of Lyne, held by Mr Oakeshott - there, 52 per cent prefer the Coalition and 38 per cent prefer Labor. ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/28/2996037.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 05:23 pm
@Deckland,
Quote:
Anyone like to bet who the "Three Amigos " will side with regardless of their claims of being independent ?
All the bluff and posturing is good showmanship.
The reality, I suspect, is quite different.
Let's get it done and over with.


We indulged in a bit of speculation a couple of pages back, Deckland.
My conclusion was that they (including all six of them -including Adam Bandt (Greens) who is supporting Labour) would arrive to a "hung" decision ... based on the conflict between local & national interests. While I think hinge (& Eorl?) suggested that the three would arrive at a more principled decision, because of the intense scrutiny they're experiencing.
Want to add your own prediction?
Eorl
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 09:31 pm
@msolga,
I think that perhaps 73 seats beats 72. That will be the excuse the 3 Amoebas needed to keep things sweet at home. I think it's also why Abbott has being playing a bit more hardball than Gillard.
dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2010 11:22 pm
a question arose here at home today about when parliment would next sit in order to test any new government formed.

Section 5 of the Constitution provides:

"After any general election the Parliament shall be summoned to meet not later than thirty days after the day appointed for the return of the writs."
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Deckland
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 01:27 am
Quote:
A new poll shows an overwhelming number of voters in the seats of the three rural independent MPs want them to support the Coalition.

A new poll ?????
Excuse me, but these people had their vote last Saturday and they cast their preferences then. So they want a second chop at the cherry or is it a bias media at work ?

dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 01:52 am
@Deckland,
Its the media seeking to justify their existance.
Those electorates chose their representetives and it is those representetives who will make a decision no doubt based on the percieved wishes of their electorate.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 02:17 am
@Deckland,
Yes, a new poll from the Australian, Deckland.
This is what I meant about the conflict for the independents between representing their own constituents & acting in "the national interest".
Just say any, or of all of them, decide to support Labor ... there's a reasonable chance they might lose the support of their (conservative) constituents, come the next election.

Of course, as this poll was commissioned by The Australian (News Ltd, Murdoch owned), it's likely there's a political motivation behind it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/28/2996037.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 02:32 am
@Eorl,
Quote:
I think that perhaps 73 seats beats 72. That will be the excuse the 3 Amoebas needed to keep things sweet at home. I think it's also why Abbott has being playing a bit more hardball than Gillard.


I really don't know about that, Eorl. It was always going to be this close. We knew that almost immediately after the election. It will be interesting to see what the independents decide, either collectively or (perhaps) individually.

I think Abbott was playing hardball in an effort to resist submitting his policy costing estimates to Treasury, when they weren't buying his excuses for not doing so (very publicly). As much as he claims a "victory" on the terms in which the information was supplied, he actually caved in to their demands.
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Deckland
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 02:54 pm
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A LIBERAL MP has threatened the independents who will decide the next government, accusing them of holding the nation to ransom.

There in no doubt about it, Mr Schultz and Co think they have the god given right to rule...
Full article here ..
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sunday-telegraph/lib-theatens-kings-makers/story-e6frewt0-1225911315836
Eorl
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 04:24 pm
@Deckland,
Wow. That man has no doubt that Right is right. Infuriates him that these idiots could be playing games pretending they might do the wrong thing. Astounding.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 04:47 pm
@Deckland,
Yes, there's been mention of this type of Coalition pressure on those 3 independents, but it sounds like (at this point in time, anyway) they don't appear to have caved in to it. I have my doubts that they will, not as a group, anyway ... Mind you, I personally doubt Katter, in particular, would need much persuading.
Abbott has apologized for Schultz's attempt at bullying.(see article below) Rather an embarrassment for the liberals that this has become public.

Interesting article in the SMH, late yesterday ... it sounding more & more like those 3 might end up voting separately & not as a bloc. I was wondering earlier on in the thread how they could resolve their very real differences on ALP & Liberal policies.

The other thing that looks promising for Labor is that Andrew Wilkie (Denison, Tas.) sounds like he'll be choosing sides afterall, & not remaining an "unaligned cross-bencher" as earlier suggested.:


Quote:
Independents may split to seal a deal
Josh Gordon
August 29, 2010/SMH


The three rural independents have not ruled out splitting from each other and negotiating separately to form government.


Tony Windsor, Rob Oakeshott, both of NSW, and Queenslander Bob Katter have effectively been acting as a bloc to aid the negotiating process.

But Mr Windsor said it should not be assumed the arrangement would last. He said the three were acting in concert because they had common rural backgrounds and it was an efficient way of gathering information about policies and costings.

‘‘The three of us may or may not agree,’’ he said. ‘‘There is no three amigos in this. Anything could happen. Because we are the independents in the Parliament, we’ve been trying, based on the history of trust between us, to ask some of the same questions.’’

The tentative arrangement masks considerable division on key policies. Mr Katter categorises himself not as a climate sceptic but ‘‘anti’’ climate science, compared with Mr Windsor and Mr Oakeshott, who have expressed concern and believe in the ‘‘precautionary principle’’.

Mr Katter is strongly against Labor’s mining tax, Mr Windsor supports the broad principle of taxing mining profits rather than production while Mr Oakeshott believes the recommendations of the Henry review should be revisited.

Mr Katter is strongly in favour of offshore processing of unauthorised boat arrivals. Mr Windsor and Mr Oakeshott have expressed dismay about the negative way the issue was treated during the election.

The Sun-Herald understands Labor’s ‘‘best case’’ scenario would be to get the support of the three rural independents plus Melbourne Greens MP Adam Bandt and Tasmanian independent Andrew Wilkie.

That would give Labor 77 votes in the lower house, providing a one-seat buffer to increase the stability of Parliament.

But a senior source said in another possible scenario Labor could govern with the support of Mr Bandt and Mr Wilkie and two of the rural independents, most likely Mr Oakeshott and Mr Windsor.


The Coalition, which will almost certainly emerge with 73 seats (or 72, excluding the semi-independent West Australian National Tony Crook) would probably need support from all three of the rural independents, given that Mr Bandt has already said he will side with Labor and Mr Wilkie is more likely to side with Labor.

A senior Liberal MP may have placed in jeopardy the Coalition’s prospects of forming a minority government.

Long-time powerbroker Alby Schultz reportedly rang Mr Oakeshott and Mr Windsor and criticised them for holding the nation to ransom.

The apparent outburst prompted Opposition Leader Tony Abbott to issue an apology to the two independents.


A Coalition source last night confirmed the incident and said it was troubling for the party especially when the Coalition was keen to present a united and stable front.

Meanwhile, Labor is desperately trying to minimise recriminations about the election result to maximise the chances of forming a minority government.

So far there has been some criticism about the conduct of the campaign from such influential party figures as former NSW premier Morris Iemma, although it has been relatively muted.

But a senior Labor source warned if Labor ended up losing government, ‘‘it will be a bloodbath’’, with simmering anger particularly directed at party national secretary Karl Bitar.
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/independents-may-split-to-seal-a-deal-20100828-13wv6.html
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 04:51 pm
@msolga,
So, at this point, my hunch is that Oakeshott & possibly Windsor will choose Labour ... along with Bandt (Greens) & possibly Wilkie.
Katter & possibly the new WA independent (forgotten his name, sorry) to the Liberals.
That would just give Labor the necessary 76 seats to govern.
That's what I call a tight result!
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 05:04 pm
@msolga,
On the basis of this, I'd say Wilkie is definitely "leaning toward Labor". Wink :

Quote:
Wilkie expecting action on list of concerns
Updated 19 minutes ago

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201008/r628368_4264633.jpg
Mr Wilkie says Ms Gillard was responsive to his concerns. (AAP: Joe Castro)

Independent candidate Andrew Wilkie has foreshadowed a Federal Government announcement about an assistance package for Tasmania's troubled forest industry.

The candidate for the Hobart-based seat of Denison met with Prime Minister Julia Gillard in Melbourne yesterday to discuss Labor's attempt to form a minority government.

He says he presented her with a list of 20 issues that are important to him, including a $20 million assistance package for forest contractors.

"She's well aware of the problems being experienced in the industry," he said.

"I explained to her my concerns, and she's committed to have the relevant minister take some action on it early in the coming week."

Also on the list were his concerns over the fate of the Royal Hobart Hospital and a betting limit on poker machines.

He says Ms Gillard was responsive and he will meet with her again on Monday afternoon.

"It was a good meeting, there was a good spirit there, spirit of cooperation," he said.


"I left the Prime Minister with a clear understanding that the issue of the hospital and the issue of poker machine reform are two of the issues on that list that I care most about." ...


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/29/2996363.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 05:32 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
So, at this point, my hunch is that Oakeshott & possibly Windsor will choose Labour ... along with Bandt (Greens) & possibly Wilkie.
Katter & possibly the new WA independent (forgotten his name, sorry) to the Liberals.
That would just give Labor the necessary 76 seats to govern.
That's what I call a tight result!


These two independents I'm wondering about:
Windsor could go either way, though my hunch is toward Labor. (Now, though his position could change, depending on behind-the-scenes bargaining! Wink )
If Windsor did choose the Coalition, it would make it 75 (one vote short for Labor) & 74 (two short for the Libs.) What a prospect!
Tony Crook (great name for a politician! Smile ) the WA independent who defeated Wilson Tuckey, would most likely lean toward the Coalition in such a tight situation, I'd guess. Despite his earlier pronouncements...:


Quote:
Mr Crook campaigned as an "independent voice" for regional WA and he vowed he would not sit in the Coalition party room.

He said during the campaign: "I will be a WA National, voting independently in the House of Representatives, assessing each policy and piece of legislation on its merits for regional WA."

The 50-year-old said he still stood by his position and made it clear the coalition cannot rely on his vote in trying to form government.

"Absolutely, not at all in fact," he said.

"If I do get elected I'm going to Canberra as a member of the WA Nationals. We have been exceptionally successful by being an independent political party and it's worked.


"It's made a real difference and I firmly believe the fed Nats should be the same."


http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/feral-crook-bludgeons-ironbar-20100822-13akd.html
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 05:40 pm
Good morning, Aus. This has been fascinating to watch from afar. It's a bit like a chess game, except the once-upon-a-time pawns have suddenly become very powerful.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 06:08 pm
@realjohnboy,
Good morning, USA. Wink
It's a pretty wild & woolly ride, alright, RJB!
The next few days are going to very torrid, in both party's backrooms, without a doubt!

My hunch (today! Ha!) is that Labor will just make it across the line, by the very tip of Julia's nose!
I think Labor is handling the stress of the bargaining process with the independents a lot better than the Libs are. Julia appears to have stemmed any undermining internal leaks & recriminations from within the ALP .... unlike the Libs.

However, should the worst happen & the Libs do get the numbers .. well, it won't be pretty! This is as much about Julia Gillard's political future within the ALP, as much as anything else, I think. She, personally, has a lot invested in the outcome of this bargaining process with the independents.

Should the ALP achieve the slimmest of slim victories, though, it will be a very tricky ride for Labor in government, balancing the Greens expectations (they'll have the balance of pwoer in the senate) with promises to the independents. And, of course, the Coalition would be doing its level best to ensure that it will be as messy as possible for a Labor government. And no doubt hoping for an early election on the basis of Labor's "instability & incompetence".
Whatever the outcome is, this promises to be a whole new ballgame in Oz federal politics.

realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2010 06:14 pm
@msolga,
But my understanding, based on something I thought I read here, is that there can not be new elections called until something like next July. Did I imagine that?
 

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