A suspicious man (or woman) might imagine that some conservatives have promised to distribute preferences to him if he causes a double dissolution election. Puts him back in the game
Bejeebus. Hadn't thought of that....
Wouldn't that backfire if everyone knew we were back at the polls because of his ego and need for attention? Or am I still in crackerbox palace?
Probably, but I'm not sure thinking ahead is his strong suit. Well, "thinking" in general really.
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Thu 26 Aug, 2010 09:50 pm
Abbott has backed down and agreed to allow treasury to see his budget stuff and to amendments to the rules to allow treasury to advise the independents.
That's excellent news, hinge. (Been out of the loop all day at work. Got a bit of catching up to do.)
There was absolutely no reason he couldn't have done that before now.
Trying to work out what these "safeguards to protect (Liberal) policies" actually mean.
The election campaign is over, why not complete transparency the same as Labor?:
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... Mr Abbott says the Coalition agreed to the request because the Treasurer's office and the Government will not have access to the policies.
"I'm very pleased to say the Coalition has had a very significant win on the briefings process," he said.
"What this means is that briefing of the independents by Treasury can now go ahead without the risk of political interference and that was a very, very real risk."
He says he is satisfied with the safeguards put in place to protect his policies.
"We are happy to sit down with the Treasury with absolutely all the information they need to make a full and fair assessment of our policies and then share with the independents," he said.
"There can now be a full and fair briefing of the independent members on the policies and costings of the Coalition and of the Labor Party, and on that basis I hope the independents can come to a position as soon as possible as to which side of parliament is worthy of their backing."
Transparency
Ms Gillard says she will offer "absolute transparency" to the independents, but she is not so sure about Mr Abbott. ....<cont>
Those are ABC (Antony Green's) numbers, which I swear by!
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msolga
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Fri 27 Aug, 2010 01:11 am
@hingehead,
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Briefings deal 'significant win': Abbott August 27, 2010 - 3:50PM/the AGE
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has claimed a "significant win" for the Coalition after he reached agreement with Labor on the way the three independent MPs will be briefed about the policy costings of both sides.
Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Mr Abbott have agreed to amend caretaker government conventions following an exchange of letters between the pair over three days.
The Coalition will be able to have discussions with Treasury before the costing of its promises are calculated.
"No information from that full briefing of Treasury by the coalition will be available to the government," Mr Abbott told reporters in Sydney today. "The Coalition has had a significant win on the briefings process."
The independents — Bob Katter, Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott — have asked for a Treasury briefing on the cost of all Labor and Coalition policies over the next term as a pre-requisite for talks about forming a minority government.
The Coalition has been holding out all week on the request, saying that it would not be told what to do - and wanted a police investigation into a campaign leak to be concluded before it would reconsider.
Ms Gillard said she had sought advice from the secretary of the office of Prime Minister and Cabinet on the appropriateness of agreeing to a request by the independents for the briefings to take place.
Ms Gillard said the public service advice suggested amendments were required to the caretaker provisions, which required the agreement of the Coalition.
She had written to Mr Abbott and, after extending several deadlines for a response, Ms Gillard said Mr Abbott had "generally agreed" that the trio would receive the material on budget costings; albeit under certain conditions.
"I am pleased to report that Mr Abbott has generally agreed that the independents should be able to get the material that they seek," Ms Gillard said.
"I welcome Mr Abbott’s general agreement to that."
Ms Gillard said Mr Abbott required assurances that any costings, assumptions or background information provided by the opposition was withheld from the government.
"And of course, I’ve agreed to that," she said.
Ms Gillard said Mr Abbott had also sought full costing of Labor’s $43 billion national broadband network and the minerals resource rent tax even though that information was contained in the pre-election fiscal outlook.
But if Mr Abbott wanted more detailed briefings from Treasury or Finance, they would be made available.
Mr Abbott had also raised concerns about where information might go arising from this process.
"I have indicated to Mr Abbott that it is my view that the independents should be able to participate in these briefings," she said.
"What they say publicly about the information obtained is then a matter for them."
Ms Gillard said she was not seeking access to the opposition's costings while Treasury was assessing it. But once that process had ended, the figures should be made public.
"Every Australian has access to the government’s costings. Every Australian should have access to Mr Abbott’s costings done by Treasury," she said.
"That is fundamental to the national interest and Mr Abbott should agree to that.
"It seems to me that Mr Abbott cannot find a credible objection to that."
I think I get it now.
Labor has agreed to this "confidential" briefing of the Liberal's costings to Treasury on the expectation that they will become public, afterwards.
Which has to be to Labor's advantage. Yes?
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msolga
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Fri 27 Aug, 2010 02:47 am
Commentary on living with the independents from the cartoonists.:
A hefty cash prize to the person who can explain the meaning of that last convoluted sentence ... & why exactly he's held out till now! Say nothing of how this is a "victory". :
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.. TONY Abbott has seized on a deal to give costings briefings to independents to declare victory in a standoff with Julia Gillard.
Mr Abbott said today that the three independents would receive briefings from Treasury free from “political interference”.
He said the Coalition would brief Treasury before it updated the independents on the impact of the Opposition's election policies on the budget.
“The Coalition has had a significant win on the briefings process,” Mr Abbott said.
“As things had stood the Treasury would have briefed independent members without any input from the Coalition. As things have now been agreed, the Coalition will brief Treasury before Treasury briefs the independents and no information from that full briefing of Treasury by the Coalition will be available to the government.” ....
Courtesy of Antony Green - the ABC's election analyst.:
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August 27, 2010 Hung Parliament - Where to From Here?
Last weekend Australians thought they were voting on who would form government. If Labor or the Coalition had won a clear majority, this would have been a reasonable summary of what the election was about.
But with neither side having gained a majority in their own right, the murky world of government formation under our system of unwritten constitutional conventions has been exposed to the light.
The Australian Constitution provides a framework for government in Australia. However, that framework is bare of flesh on how to deal with the current impasse.
The Constitution was deliberately written to be vague on the process of government formation. The intent was for the written constitution to be a simple framework within which Australia could inherit the unwritten constitutional conventions that applied in the United Kingdom Parliament at Westminster.
The conventions of the 'Westminster' system evolved over several centuries. Where the French and the Americans engaged in revolutions and set down written constitutions, the United Kingdom muddled through with an unwritten constitution built on conventions as the society transformed itself from a feudal to a constitutional monarchy.
At its heart, our constitutional framework see voters elect a representative Parliament from which the 'Crown' in the form of the Governor-General appoints advisers. In the real world these advisers are the Prime Minister and Cabinet, but constitutionally these are advisers appointed by the Crown.
Whether governments are elected or appointed by the Crown hardly matters when either side of politics has a majority. But these conventions pre-date party politics, and in situations such as the current election result, these conventions matter.
So let me run through a few questions about what will happen in coming weeks and how the constitutional conventions apply.
Q: Can we go straight to another election.
No. The parliament must meet. The only way we can go straight to another election would be for the parliament to meet and be so deadlocked that no full-time government could be formed.
For instance, an election in Newfoundland in 1908 produced a dead heat. No party could form government without appointing one of their own as Speaker, which would have caused the government to lose its majority in Parliament. It seems extremely unlikely this election will produce such confusion.
The convention that the Parliament must meet was confirmed by the 1989 Tasmanian election.
The Gray Liberal government lost its majority, and in the days that followed, the opposition Labor Party signed a political accord with the cross bench Greens that delivered a majority to Labor.
Gray refused to resign from office and campaigned for an early election, engaging high-priced QCs to produce advice suggesting the Parliament did not have to meet and the state should go straight back to the polls. In the end Gray did not offer this advice to the Governor, the new Parliament met and Gray's government fell on the vote to elect the Speaker.
Q: If the Opposition can produce an agreement with the Independents, does the Gillard government have to resign?
No. The convention that a government resigns before the Parliament sits is a modern convention that came about after the development of political parties. In the nineteenth century, changes of government usually took place when the government was defeated on the floor at the first sitting of the new Parliament.
As of now, Julia Gillard is still Prime Minister and therefore chief adviser to the crown. If the Opposition signed an agreement, it is within the power of Ms Gillard to advise that Tony Abbot be called by the Governor-General to form a government. But in the current circumstances, Ms Gillard is within her rights to advise the Governor General that any agreement by the Opposition be tested on the floor of the House of Representatives to determine who should form government.
There have been recent instances of this in Australia.
After the 1968 South Australian election, the Dunstan Labor government finished with 19 seats, the same as the Liberal Country League opposition, the balance of power held by a conservative Independent who backed the Opposition in return for being appointed Speaker. Labor had a clear majority of the vote and Dunstan refused to resign as Premier, forcing the vote to the floor of Parliament where his government was defeated.
As mentioned above, the 1989 Tasmanian election saw Robin Gray's Liberal government lose its majority. Gray stayed on as Premier, only resigning after forcing Labor and the Greens to back their accord on the floor of the House of Assembly.
At the 2002 South Australia election, the Labor opposition led by Mike Rann fell one seat short of a majority. In the end Rann coaxed conservative independent Peter Lewis to back his government in return for the Speakership. Liberal Premier Rob Kerin declined to resign his commission as Premier and forced the agreement between Lewis and Labor to be tested on the floor of the House of Assembly before resigning.
Q: What happens if neither side make an agreement with the cross benches?
In these circumstances, Ms Gillard can continue on as Prime Minister. It would be up to the Opposition to defeat the government in Parliament if it wanted a change of government or to force an early election.
If the Gillard government was constantly defeated on the floor of parliament but the Opposition was not in a position to form government, then the House could be viewed as unworkable. Independent Tony Windsor has talked of needing a new election if no agreement for government can be reached. However, to get an early election, Mr Windsor and his cross bench colleagues would have to engage in deliberate tactics to make the House unworkable.
Q: Would we have an early election if the government fell after a few months?
Not necessarily. If the Gillard government continued on for a few months and lost the support of the cross-benchers, or lost a seat at a by-election, the Prime Minister could request an early election. However, if an alternative government could be formed in the existing House of Representatives, the Governor-General may decline a request for an early election and appoint a new Prime Minister.
This happened in 1941. The Menzies Coalition government was re-elected in September 1940. It lost its majority but continued in government with the support of cross bench independents. Menzies was replaced as Prime Minister by Country Party Leader Artie Fadden in August 1941. In October 1941 Fadden's government was defeated by the classic no-confidence motion of varying the appropriation bill by one pound. The Independents backed Labor's motion and John Curtin became the new Prime Minister.
The most recent example of a mid-term change of government took place in Queensland in 1996 when the Goss Labor government lost its majority at a by-election in the Townsville seat of Mundingburra. Goss resigned and the Coalition was sworn into office under new Premier Rob Borbidge.
Q: Would there be another Senate election?
No. The Constitution does not explicitly state that another half-Senate election cannot be held, but it is implicit in the fixed term of the Senate that the Senators elected last weekend must take their seats in July next year. There cannot be another half-Senate election until after July 2013.
I would also think it is implicit in the Constitution that a double dissolution could not be engineered before July next year. Any deadlock between a government and the Senate should be with the new Senate after July next year, not before. Even if a double dissolution was constitutionally possible, it would be unlikely that the trigger for a double dissolution could be produced in time.
Anyway, the deadlocked chamber is the House, not the Senate. Any early election will be a House only election, with all the normal election procedures including 33 minimum campaign period.
The last separate House election was in December 1972 when the Whitlam government was elected. Senate and House election had been out of step through the 1960s and a Senate election was not due at the end of 1972.
Q: Could any agreement with the Independents fix the term of Parliament.
Yes. The current term could be fixed simply by passing legislation fixing the date of the next House election. The dates of future elections could also be fixed. However, none of these dates could be constitutionally entrenched without a referendum. Legislation fixing an election date could be passed, but it could equally be repealed.
This would not limit the reserve powers of the Governor-General to call an election under extra-ordinary circustances. However, the existence of a law limiting the power of a Governor-General to issue writs for an election before a certain date would require any Prime Minister wanting an early election to give compelling reasons.
Q: Will there be a vote on who forms government when the House first meets.
No. The first business of the House will be to elect a Speaker, and in the past this has been the test of whether the government has the support of the House. The previous examples I listed in South Australia and Tasmania saw the government forced out of office on defeat on election of the Speaker.
Anyone like to bet who the "Three Amigos " will side with regardless of their claims of being independent ?
All the bluff and posturing is good showmanship.
The reality, I suspect, is quite different.
Let's get it done and over with.