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Oz Election Thread #4 - Gillard's Labor

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 03:39 am
@Eorl,
No, no, I doubt that's the reason, Eorl. (Not that I can speak on behalf of anyone else, mind.) I would describe that exchange as "robust". Wink I participated in the end stages of that discussion, so I'm very aware what occurred. You both held strong views on the subject & you both expressed them. With vigour.

I'm thinking (no, guessing, actually) it might be something to do with finding a philosophy forum more attractive.

But I'm hoping, now that the election campaign is about to get into full gear, that jeeprs will find the allure of discussing & debating the blow-by-blow details irresistible! I really hope so, anyway. Smile
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 09:06 am
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
The last line of the ABC report confused me:
"Although Ms Gillard is calling the election today, it is believed the writs will not be issued until Wednesday, allowing more time for young people to enrol(l) to vote."


A clearer, more detailed response to your query, RJB:

Quote:
Time running out to get on electoral roll
July 18, 2010/SMH

PEOPLE have until 8pm tomorrow (Monday) to enrol to vote. The Prime Minister will not issue the writs until tomorrow to give a chance to people eligible to vote but not yet on the electoral roll. ...

... Not issuing the writs immediately will also allow one final cabinet meeting to be held.

... Labor has been trying to amend changes to electoral laws made by the Coalition when it was in government. John Howard changed the law so that new voters have only until 8pm on the day the writs are issued to get onto the electoral roll.

Labor has been unsuccessful in its attempts to return to the previous system, whereby people had seven days after the writs were issued to enrol or change their details.

Last week the Youth Minister, Kate Ellis, launched a campaign urging young people not to delay.

"My message to young Australians who aren't yet on the electoral roll is - do not wait. Enrol to vote or update your details today," Ms Ellis said.

The Electoral Commissioner, Ed Killesteyn, said all Australian citizens aged 18 years and over are required by law to enrol and vote in the 2010 federal election.

A report on the 2007 election indicated there were 1.4 million eligible voters not on the roll. About 70 per cent of those were were aged 18 to 39. The eligible voting population is 15,311,497.


''I also urge anyone who has moved address at any time and is not 100 per cent sure that their enrolment details are up to date to act and check immediately,'' Mr Killesteyn said.

''The [Australian Electoral Commission] removes people from the roll who do not update their electoral roll details, and the deadline applies to these people also.'' ...



http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/time-running-out-to-get-on-electoral-roll-20100717-10f4y.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 05:12 pm
Quote:
Poll puts Labor ahead as campaign begins
Updated 1 hour 25 minutes ago

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201007/r600071_3899851.jpg
Campaigning begins .. Julia Gillard will be in Brisbane today, while Tony Abbott is in Sydney. (AAP: Alan Porritt)

The first opinion poll of the 2010 election campaign shows Labor leading the Coalition after preferences by 52 to 48.

The Galaxy poll, published in News Limited papers today, has the Liberal primary vote at 42 per cent, Labor is below that on 39 per cent and the Greens on 13 per cent.

It is the Greens preferences that give Labor its lead over the Coalition.


Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has been attacking Labor over the way former prime minister Kevin Rudd lost the leadership to Julia Gillard, calling it an assassination.

The Galaxy poll finds 57 per cent of those surveyed think the way it happened will harm Labor's re-election chances.

But Ms Gillard has a 23 point lead over Mr Abbott as preferred prime minister.

Most people surveyed say they think the Labor party will win the election. ..<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/18/2956855.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 05:31 pm
A variety of ABC (Oz national broadcaster) links to various elections issues, if you're interested.

In particular, you might pay close attention to anything Antony Green http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/img/antony_green_cartoon.png has to say (Green Guide). He is Oz's no 1 political analyst (in my humble opinion) & is usually spot-on in his analysis & predictions. A living, walking, breathing Oz politics encyclopedia!
(He's quite obsessed by it all & rather eccentric with it. Wink
I love watching & listening to him!)


http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 05:38 pm
@msolga,
Quote:
Green Guide :

The ultimate election resource from Australia's leading expert, Antony Green


http://www.abc.net.au/elections/federal/2010/guide/
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 05:56 pm
What the AGE newspaper had to say this Sunday morning:
WorkChoices (industrial relations policy) rears its ugly head again.
Workchoices was one of the major reasons the Liberal Party lost the last (Howard/Rudd ) election. The policy was viewed by those on the Labor side as draconian & the unions, especially, ran a very effective advertising campaign in the media against it. Not exactly a great start to Tony Abbott's (Liberals) campaign. The last thing he would have wanted. A WorkChoices scare to hose down.:


Quote:
The battle begins
July 18, 2010
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/07/17/1699603/parliament-420x0.jpg
Julia Gillard says that Australians will have a clear choice between her and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott. Pictures: Stefan Postles, Paul Harris

AUSTRALIANS were told yesterday they would be presented with a clear choice when they go to the polls on August 21, but the campaign is shaping to be one of the narrowest in recent memory, with neither political leader announcing new policy directions and both scrambling to neutralise contentious issues.

But in the first stumble of the campaign, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott was forced to hose down a potential industrial relations disaster.

Mr Abbott's move to counter Ms Gillard's claim that he intended to reintroduce WorkChoices backfired despite his assurances.

He kicked off his campaign by saying: ''WorkChoices is dead. Today I've not just buried the body but cremated it too.''

But his vow that he would preserve Labor's industrial relations legislation through a first Coalition term, were undermined when Opposition workplace relations spokesman Eric Abetz said ''tweaking'' of the workplace regulations could not be ruled out.

''We will not be revolutionising, or indeed reforming, we would only be tweaking and that is what our policy will confirm,'' Senator Abetz said.

It was a gift to Labor. ...<cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/the-battle-begins-20100717-10fd4.html
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 06:09 pm
@msolga,
The tabloid view.
From the Herald Sun, in Melbourne. (otherwise know as "the Hun" locally. Wink )
And another poll result. Galaxy this time.
Julia is getting a pretty good run on day 1 on the campaign trail:


Quote:
Strong support for Prime Minister Julia Gillard
http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/07/17/1225893/247981-julia-gillard-calls-the-election.jpg
Tony Abbott will take on Julia Gillard in a federal election on August 21.

UPDATE 9:20am: JULIA Gillard has entered the election campaign with a winning lead in the polls that has barely been dented by any of her first faltering steps as Prime Minister.

And Labor has today wasted no time attempting to target Opposition Leader Tony Abbott's record as a health minister, warning he will wind back important reforms of the system.

Labor's primary support is sitting on 39 per cent, slightly less than the 41 per cent Ms Gillard picked up in the days after becoming PM on June 24, but an election-winning position after preferences.

A national Galaxy poll of 800 people conducted for the Sunday Herald Sun has the ALP leading the Coalition 52 to 48 per cent in a two-party preferred vote.


Ms Gillard's mishandling of the asylum policy appears only to have dented Labor's primary vote, with it slipping from 41 per cent to 39 per cent since last Sunday. ...<cont>


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/prime-minister-ready-for-a-fight/story-fn5ko0pw-1225892979023

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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 06:30 pm
I was researching the notion of "compulsory voting." Aus has that, although I doubt that it is enforced. It goes back in Aus to the early 1920's when voter participation was something like 60%. That was considered abysmal.
The U.S. participation rate today is probably less than that.
Am I correct in assuming that getting newly qualified 18 year olds to enrol favors Labor and the Greens?
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 06:37 pm
Just one last observation.
(I hope my bias isn't showing here. Wink )
Quote:
It is the Greens preferences that give Labor its lead over the Coalition.

It looks as though Labor might be more dependent on Greens preferences that at the last election, according to the polling results. The Greens might also hold the balance of power in the senate (upper house/house of review).
Let's hope Labor actually starts talking seriously with the Greens. Rudd wouldn't.
I'm hoping that a real dialogue between the two parties might lead to Labor developing a better climate change policy at this election. The new policy hasn't been announced yet, but I understand it's "in the pipeline".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/18/2956855.htm
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 06:41 pm
Quote:
although I doubt that it is enforced.

Here is a document that may be of interest RJB.
http://www.aec.gov.au/pdf/voting/compulsory_voting.pdf
Voting at all elecions in Australia (Federal state and local) is rigorously investigated.

What happens if I do not vote?

Initially the Australian Electoral Commission will write to all apparent non-voters requesting that they either provide a reason for their failure to vote or pay a $20 penalty.
When my daughter was living in the far north of Sweden she was unable to vote and required to provide an excuse.

If, within 21 days, the apparent non-voter fails to reply, cannot provide a valid and sufficient reason or declines to pay the penalty, then prosecution proceedings may be instigated. If the matter is dealt with in court and the person is found guilty, he or she may be fined up to $50 plus court costs.
http://www.aec.gov.au/faqs/voting_australia.htm#What%20happens%20if%20I%20do%20not%20vote

Electoral Backgrounders: Understanding Australian electoral legislation
http://www.aec.gov.au/About_AEC/Publications/backgrounders/index.htm
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 06:48 pm
Quote:
Am I correct in assuming that getting newly qualified 18 year olds to enrol favors Labor and the Greens?

I think you would be correct.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 06:53 pm
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
Am I correct in assuming that getting newly qualified 18 year olds to enrol favors Labor and the Greens?


You may well be correct about that, RJB.

But it's an important issue, too. John Howard "changed the rules" on enrollment deadlines to suit his own party's ends. So the day of the election date announcement was the last day people (not already on the roll) could enroll & be eligible to vote. Prior to that, people had 7 days grace to enroll after an election was announced.
Given that the party in power can (& usually does) choose an election date to suit it's own advantage, & sudden, "surprise announcements" are not exactly unusual, I think it's fair enough that potential voters have 7 days grace to get themselves onto the electoral roll.

Apart from that, as dp says, eligible Australians are required to be enrolled. This gives them a last minute opportunity to meet their electoral obligations.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 08:51 pm
Video: Chris Uhlmann interviews Bob Brown, leader of the Australian Greens. (And poses a few tough questions, too!)
Polls are indicating that the Greens are about to become considerably more powerful & influential in this next federal parliament (& could hold the balance of power in the senate) , whether we have a Labor or Liberal government.:


Quote:
The rise of the Greens?
Source: ABC News
Published: Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:06 AEST
Expires: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:06 AEST

Chris Uhlmann talks to Greens leader Bob Brown, and analyses their role in the upcoming election with Antony Green and Barrie Cassidy.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2010/07/17/2956615.htm
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jul, 2010 09:24 pm
As an aside, I just played a lady in on-line scrabble from NSW. She was amused at my interest in Aus politics. I assured her I was only an observer; not favoring anyone. I have "no dog in that fight," I said. That expression amused her.
She likes the idea of a female PM but "Labor has ruined this country. They have destroyed it completely."
She won the scrabble game, by the way.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jul, 2010 02:38 am
@realjohnboy,
Quote:
She likes the idea of a female PM but "Labor has ruined this country. They have destroyed it completely."


Did she explain why she held that view, RJB?

Smile
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jul, 2010 02:25 pm
@msolga,
No, she didn't explain. Sometimes I can engage a player to continue a conversation beyond the end of a match. I work hard to make that happen. It didn't work in this instance, though.
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jul, 2010 02:51 pm
@realjohnboy,
Obviously just a Liberal plant, RJB.
That's the sort of thing they get up to!
Razz
Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 19 Jul, 2010 03:50 am
@msolga,
An interesting day.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 02:15 am
@Eorl,
The day after lacked a little zing, though! Wink

Lots of baby kissing, much to the distress of babies all over the place in Oz!:


http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/07/18/1225893/530921-gillard-baby.jpg

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillard-kisses-babies-as-she-begins-her-first-full-day-of-campaigning/story-fn59niix-1225893533373

The Mad Monk seems to have created more confusion than the hoped-for clarification about the rumoured plans to reintroduce WorkChoices under a Liberal government. A very handy state of affairs for the Labor Party! (Which started the rumours. Wink ):

Quote:
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is under intense pressure to explain his position on workplace relations after a series of media interviews today.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/19/2957587.htm

Labor & the Greens have struck a preference deal for both the lower & upper houses. (Something I didn't think the Greens would do. I'm rather disappointed ...)
But then again, Labor is finally talking with the Greens (at last! Rudd wouldn't. ), so maybe we'll see some Greens influence on Labor's (yet to be announced) climate change policy? We'll see what transpires ... :


Quote:
Labor, Greens seal preferences deal

The Greens have confirmed that they have struck a preferences deal with Labor, which will affect the Senate and some key House of Representatives seats in the upcoming federal election.

It is understood the deal involves more than 50 key Lower House seats.

The deal means Labor will direct its Senate preferences to the Greens, while the Greens will direct preferences to the ALP in the Lower House seats.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/07/19/2957323.htm

Julia Gillard has agreed to one televised debate with Tony Abbott, rather than the three he wanted. One small problem: the debate (this coming Sunday night) was timed for 7:30 pm, the same time as the final episode of Master Chef (currently no1 rating TV program in Oz). Today there was an announcement that Tony & Julia's debate will now be aired at 6:30 pm, to avoid the clash. Kinda tells you something about the excitement generated by this election campaign, doesn't it? Neutral :

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-election/masterchef-final-trumps-leaders-debate-20100720-10iyl.html?autostart=1
dadpad
 
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Reply Tue 20 Jul, 2010 03:02 am
Quote:
The Greens have confirmed that they have struck a preferences deal with Labor

No different to the Lib Natioal coalition. Smart move by both Labour and the greens I think.
 

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