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Do you believe in ghosts/life after death?

 
 
IceB0x
 
Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 02:04 am
I'm not asking for a debate. I was just interested in how many people believe in them, and also why.

Personally, I'm a skeptic. I've heard of others putting their basis on people being energy, but I'm not sure if they are. If so, then the law that energy is not created nor destroyed, but converted, applies. I think the energy leaves the body as heat and not a converted form. I do watch paranormal shows regularly even though I don't believe in them. It's fascinating. Anything unknown is fascinating, though.

As for a higher power or life after, I don't believe in that either. I'd like to - that people have a second chance, that there is a reason for life, and that someone is looking out for everyone. But to be honest, I think 'life after death' was simply created to keep people in line and to give them something to look forward to. It also gives them a structured way of life and things to believe in. For people who lack individuality, no offense intended, it holds a lot for them.

The only real way souls could exist is if a god could exist, which makes me even more skeptic. I just can't understand how a God could exist, yet children get molested every day. Who wants to believe in a god who gives people the ability to murder others? I think that Christianity being a universalizing religion also ruins it for me. Christians complain that being homosexual is wrong. Being homosexual occurs during lateralization. If God creates everyone, and uniquely at that, and someone is born with this, isn't God creating homosexuality? Why would God frown upon something he created? I have never found anything important in Christianity that I ever agreed with, that could further sway me to life after being real.

What do you guys think? Please, if you have nothing nice to say or you bash others for their beliefs, shame on you. Don't bother commenting; I'll just report you.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 06:14 am
It does no good to report people. Your only recourse is to thumb them down or put them on ignore. That said, I have never seen a ghost and I don't believe in a life after death.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 06:27 am
@IceB0x,
IceB0x wrote:
Do you believe in ghosts/life after death?

No. Those beliefs make no sense (and there's no valid evidence for them), so I don't believe them.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 06:54 am
Watching this thread.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 07:01 am
Absolutely not. I do believe that nothing is ever eradicated, but that the "stuff" of a human being is converted to something else, most likely "mulch".
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 07:04 am
@IceB0x,
IceB0x wrote:
I'm not asking for a debate.
I was just interested in how many people believe in them, and also why.
Yes; I 've had OOBEs.

During, the OOBEs, I was the ghost in whom I believed.
I molted.





David
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GoshisDead
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 10:21 am
@IceB0x,
Yes Icebox, though skeptical, I still tend to believe in both spirits, and life after death, no matter how hard i have tried not to.
IceB0x
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 11:44 am
@edgarblythe,
Thanks for the advice, edgarblythe. A fellow non-believer.
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IceB0x
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 11:49 am
@rosborne979,
There are unexplained videos. Ghost adventures, for example, had a brick fly in a room. It was examined by several specialists who all say there is no explanation and had valid reasons as to why. It sounds fake, maybe. Considering after that Nick and Zak were so desperate to get out that they jumped from a two story building fire escape with no idea where they were landing leads me to believe they were genuinely scared. I'm still with you, though, as a skeptic. You can never really believe television.
IceB0x
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 11:50 am
@Phoenix32890,
Mulch. That's a way I never thought life after would be put. Sounds rather sick, but I agree.
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IceB0x
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 11:53 am
@GoshisDead,
Thanks, Goshisdead. I'd like to believe in spirits and whatnot, I just can't bring myself to it. I don't feel there is ever really a right or wrong answer. We'll never know until we die.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:00 pm
@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead wrote:
Yes Icebox, though skeptical, I still tend to believe in both spirits, and life after death,
no matter how hard i have tried not to.
I also believe in life b4 death and life during death.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:02 pm
@IceB0x,
IceB0x wrote:
Thanks, Goshisdead. I'd like to believe in spirits and whatnot, I just can't bring myself to it.
I don't feel there is ever really a right or wrong answer.


We'll never know until we die.
We might not die; just molt.
Reyn
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:18 pm
@IceB0x,
IceB0x wrote:
Do you believe in ghosts/life after death?

First of all, let me state that I am not a religious person in the usual sense of the word. I am not attached to any organized group. I do feel that there is more to life than what we currently generally know.

The term "life after death" is rather misleading, in my view.

I do not believe that the death of the physical body is the end of who we are. Rather, life continues, but in a different form.

The atoms of that "form" vibrate at a very high rate, so that these forms are not visible to human eyes. This would be much like animals being able to hear sounds at higher frequencies, that human ears could not pick up.

From Wikipedia:
Quote:
The law of conservation of energy is an empirical law of physics. It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time). A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only be transformed from one state to another. ...


As for ghosts, they are merely earth-bound entities that do not realize that they have "died". Or, that they may be bound to a specific location due to an emotional attachment of some kind.

I also believe karma plays into some of the things that you mention in the latter part of your post.
IceB0x
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 03:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Hehe, thanks for your insight OmSigDAVID.
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IceB0x
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 04:00 pm
@Reyn,
I'm absolutely sure there is more to life than we know. Just 100 years ago, we weren't even aware of atoms really. We were unaware of life's building blocks. I'm sure in the next 100 years, we will find much, much more information out. That said, I simply feel like the body is a case. The mind is truly where the personality, choices, and thoughts come from. I'd like to believe the physical death of the body doesn't affect the actual life or ending of who we are either, but without a body to support an entity, how would it survive? Clearly a body is needed for one to survive, or people wouldn't have a body to begin with. We'd all be hovering [stereotypically] entities.

I'm not sure I believe in karma. When I think about it, truly, to me.. well, I think that what goes around comes around because people who do bad things open themselves to its reactions. A person who has never done drugs is not susceptible to really dying from drugs [generally; of course there are some things like medical malpractice]. Other people, like those who do do drugs, may OD. Not because karma reached them, but because by making that choice, they become open to it's backfire. For every action, there is reversely the same action.

I'm not trying to disprove how you feel or what you think. I'm just sharing what I think as well. We're all entitled to our own opinions, and I hope you go on believing what you do and let no one sway how you feel.
Reyn
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 04:35 pm
@IceB0x,
IceB0x wrote:
... I'd like to believe the physical death of the body doesn't affect the actual life or ending of who we are either, but without a body to support an entity, how would it survive? Clearly a body is needed for one to survive, or people wouldn't have a body to begin with.

Without going into any great detail of what i believe, I'll just say that there is a body, looking like your physical one, but obviously wouldn't work in the same way, because it's not physical.

This body exists in another "plane" of existence, but in actual fact, exists everywhere. Like I previously mentioned, you can't see this with human eyes. Animals can "see" (sense) these bodies.


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I'm not sure I believe in karma. When I think about it, truly, to me.. well, I think that what goes around comes around because people who do bad things open themselves to its reactions. A person who has never done drugs is not susceptible to really dying from drugs [generally; of course there are some things like medical malpractice]. Other people, like those who do do drugs, may OD. Not because karma reached them, but because by making that choice, they become open to it's backfire. For every action, there is reversely the same action.

Not everything that happens to a person is a result of karma. Sometimes an accident is just an accident.

Having said that, I'm convinced that some piviotal events in our lives are karma-related.
IceB0x
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 04:54 pm
@Reyn,
The 'plane' being another state of a world, basically? Similar to the idea of life and afterlife. I understand what you're saying. Not directed toward you, but I feel that sometimes people put too much thought into an animal's behavior. No creatures [that we're aware of] think as complexly as we do. For all we know, the dog is staring into space or barking because of something tangible that he heard that doesn't register on our own hearing thresholds. For all we know, dogs aren't aware of anything but what they can see with their own eyes. I do believe in having a 'sense' about things; like a foreshadowing of a negative event. It happens sometimes. I'm not sure if dogs have this same 'sense' though. They seem to portray it, but many people mistake it for something it may not be.

I'd like to believe large things are related to karma. It would be nice every time a jerk did something bad, something just as bad happened to them. Occasionally this wonderful karma-like action happens on death row.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 05:22 pm
Since I was 15, reincarnation made more sense to me than heaven and hell.

I understand that during the Early Modern Era, Protestants were not supposed to believe in ghosts. What is the official stand of Protestantism on ghosts or does no one bother with them?
IceB0x
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jun, 2010 05:53 pm
@plainoldme,
I've noticed many people take up Buddhism, or at least some of their views, when it comes to ghosts. Other than that, I'm not exactly sure about many religions in relation to their belief in ghosts. Reincarnation sounds more realistic to me, but I still feel that once we die, we're dead forever.
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