@sozobe,
Quote:I often wonder at the philosophy is is useless and abstract thinking is pointless crowd.
sozobe wrote:
How can you make such generalizations about a "crowd?" What is a crowd, anyway? Does a crowd need to be a physical gathering of people, on the ground, or can it be just people who are all reading something, from their various computers around the world? Must a crowd all think the same way? What if they only agree on one aspect out of a million different thoughts and decisions, can they still be a crowd?
There was no generalization I was referring to a specific group of people who are concerned with a specific issue. The rest of that is nice and vacuous I hope you enjoyed typing it.
Quote:The simple act of labeling something is abstract. we couldn't get through the day without it.
sozobe wrote:
Isn't it possible to function without labels? Must labels be literal, a word attached to a meaning, or can one form ideas about objects without labels? Can one think without language? What if it is a signed language, with no spoken words? Is that actually a language?
No it is not possible to function without labels. Labels aren't necessarily literal words. Current research shows that one cannot form ideas without categorization, frame, schema, and typing. so one can create a gestalt prototype of a thing, situation, or action, but at the point of combinatory categorization (adding one prototype to another to form a thought with both action and object) labeling and language happen. Sign language has grammar, vocabulary and syntax it is a language.
Quote:The goal of universal law creation is abstract, without it a child couldn't hypothesize that fire is always going to be hot so don't touch it.
sozobe wrote:
Is there really any such thing as a universal law? How is it determined whether it is universal or not?
I wouldn't know if there is any such thing as a universal law. It seems, however, that it is the human condition to chase it. Yet I was writing about a universal law as pertaining to one type of sensory input. Fire is hot is fairly universal
Quote:Political theory is abstract. There never would have been an equal rights movement, a democratic revolution, any change for the better or worse without an abstract meta-conversation that at that point was not practical. people live their lives in the abstract and all people in some way or another are philosophers.
sozobe wrote:
Pooh is a philosopher, Piglet is a philosopher. This is very wise. I admire your intellect. It is enjoyable to find someone who is able to think things through in a highly intellectual way, like me. I appreciate you. Have a fabulous day.
A.A. Milne could be considered a philosopher, Pooh and Piglet maybe not so much.
But to answer your real question. Things have a place, a time, and a season. If one is posting in the philosophy section one should expect to find a certain level of abstractness. If one is posting in the gardening section, maybe not so much.
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At some point it becomes... wearying, no?
At any rate, while I agree with your post, I think it is a bit of a strawman in that I don't think anyone was arguing against all abstract thought.
edit: by the way I failed in being as vacuous and abstract as I planned, some of the questions in there are actually interesting and I wouldn't mind discussing...
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