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So, seriously, what is philosophy anyway?

 
 
chai2
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 03:51 pm
gonna be cleaning his "spot" eh?

say no more, nods as good as a wink to a blind man.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 03:56 pm
@Shapeless,
I've missed that one, will check it out.


I just noticed 'the marry setanta for anger babies' tag and laughed for a second. I have brooded with setanta resentment myself, but it is really puffing grey clouds in the air. I never don't read his posts.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 04:16 pm
Ha! Hello there.

I actually like philosophy, thought about majoring in it and everything, took several classes, yadda yadda. I've done the mind-blowing college coffeehouse stuff and some of it was really fun.

I'm still trying to figure out where that guy is going with his thread, maybe it will all become clear. I'm not particularly enjoying his methodology so far. Maybe more context (personality, posting style, favorite philosophers, taste for gotcha games, whatever) will help and it won't seem as precious down the line. (Right now, seems kinda precious. We'll see.)

But yes, part of why I moved on from a serious interest in philosophy is that past a certain point it became too divorced from reality for me, and I'm a fan of reality.
Reyn
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 04:21 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:
going to be doing any farming this evening reyn?

Nope, still unemployed.

I hope that I wouldn't have to turn to farming.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 04:21 pm
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:
(Right now, seems kinda precious. We'll see.)
Of very hi value ??
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 04:23 pm
@Reyn,
chai2 wrote:
going to be doing any farming this evening reyn?
Reyn wrote:

Nope, still unemployed.

I hope that I wouldn't have to turn to farming.
Maybe hunting ?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 04:33 pm
@sozobe,
I called him precious prince to myself: I know better, that was a quick and easy take. I think he is both very sensitive and very sheltered, and I don't mean to mock. I think I get his fear, but I'm not likely a good help. Some others, not just of the phil a2kers, but some from the older ones, would be more help.

I still remember one of my first posts at abuzz, about corgis, and no one answered. I was hurt and confused. It was my first time online ever. The one responder on my next question, whatever it was, was Roger straightening me out rather brusquely on some tech thing. (Now I'm fond of Roger's brusque-ability.)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 04:40 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
I called him precious prince to myself: I know better, that was a quick and easy take. I think he is both very sensitive and very sheltered, and I don't mean to mock. I think I get his fear, but I'm not likely a good help. Some others, not just of the phil a2kers, but some from the older ones, would be more help.

I still remember one of my first posts at abuzz, about corgis, and no one answered. I was hurt and confused. It was my first time online ever. The one responder on my next question, whatever it was, was Roger straightening me out rather brusquely on some tech thing. (Now I'm fond of Roger's brusque-ability.)
I might have answered, if I knew what a corgi was;
(I did not have Google, back then).
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 04:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I barely knew what a corgi was either, having just got him from the Humane Society pound. I think I barely knew what google was, though I had fastened on the New York Times as something I could read, having earlier subscribed to it from Los Angeles. Anyway, I remember fear of people answering and challenging me, even though I was a grown woman with a fair education in life. And those fears weren't about any of my beliefs - I'd not gotten that far in worry yet. It was more generalized fear. All those people out there...
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 04:48 pm
@ossobuco,
One of my favorite all time tv series was Glittering Prizes, and I remember a line from that: something like, "the people, the noise!"
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Reyn
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 05:16 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

Maybe hunting ?

Can you kill anything with a rubber band?
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ABYA
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 05:39 pm
@chai2,
Hi chai2 and all
Philosophy is nothing but a figment of our imagination.
Its speculation about knowledge, action and properties that can't be empirically researched. Its a personal speculative guesswork, one person thinks this and another thinks that. All are welcome to input thier opinions as we all have a right to our personal viewpoints.
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 07:48 pm
@sozobe,
sozobe wrote:

Ha! Hello there.

I actually like philosophy, thought about majoring in it and everything, took several classes, yadda yadda. I've done the mind-blowing college coffeehouse stuff and some of it was really fun.

I'm still trying to figure out where that guy is going with his thread, maybe it will all become clear. I'm not particularly enjoying his methodology so far. Maybe more context (personality, posting style, favorite philosophers, taste for gotcha games, whatever) will help and it won't seem as precious down the line. (Right now, seems kinda precious. We'll see.)

But yes, part of why I moved on from a serious interest in philosophy is that past a certain point it became too divorced from reality for me, and I'm a fan of reality.


Why I tend to like the ethical parts of philosophy these days.

I am currently fighting an interesting internal war which I find very illuminating but difficult.

I realised I am tending to view the new folk as "other"...and hence seeing examples of interactive styles I find intensely irritating as pertaining to PF folk generally, in a deep primitive way...while I know that's bullshit rationally.

I bet some of them are having the same experience.

I think it's a bit the result of seeing all the negatives about A2k expressed by so many of the PF people since they were dragged here. Of course, I consider that all part of a totally normal and reasonable process, ans completely understandable...but I must be getting bristly nonetheless. Which I consider a really dumb thing to so.


Must not bristle any more......





dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 08:27 pm
there are remediation's for philosophizing, personally I find spending time in a natural environment such as a walk in the woods most effective. Philosophy is most often the result of spending too much time indoors.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 08:33 pm
@dyslexia,
I knew I liked you.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 08:48 pm
@ossobuco,
my favorite book on philosophy is Albert Camus, Lyrical and Critical Essays I read a passage and then pull weeds in the garden.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 08:58 pm
Not that I am correct, but I tend to view philosophy as that which tries to answer questions that science has not yet been able to answer. Once science gets involved, it leaves the realm of philosophy (i.e., psychology was once, I thought, part of the study of philosophy. It was a spin-off, so to speak, when we became more scientific at investigating psychological phenomena. Or, evolution left philosophy after Charles Darwin gave his input.)
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 10:37 pm
@dlowan,
Quote:
I am currently fighting an interesting internal war which I find very illuminating but difficult.

I realised I am tending to view the new folk as "other"...and hence seeing examples of interactive styles I find intensely irritating as pertaining to PF folk generally, in a deep primitive way...while I know that's bullshit rationally.

I bet some of them are having the same experience.

I think it's a bit the result of seeing all the negatives about A2k expressed by so many of the PF people since they were dragged here. Of course, I consider that all part of a totally normal and reasonable process, ans completely understandable...but I must be getting bristly nonetheless. Which I consider a really dumb thing to so.


Must not bristle any more......


Interesting, Deb.

I'm wondering if, in part anyway, your reaction stems from personally having made so much effort to make the philosophers feel welcome here? I can see you put a heck a lot of time & energy into the merger.

Me, I'm viewing the little outbreaks of friction, on one thread or another, in an oddly detached way (for me, anyway).

I see it as phase # 2 of the the philosophers & the A2Kers "acclimatizing" to each other. We are now actively sussing each other out, not being quite so polite & formal in our interactions. Which I think is healthy, though a stressful or abrasive experience (for some). There are bound to be a few misunderstandings, a few outbreaks of anger, offense taken, as this occurs.

On one hand, I see some A2Kers becoming annoyed/peeved at the (fairly) constant flow of criticisms of the site & becoming less tolerant or obliging in our responses as a result. Understandable, I think. There have been a few suggestion that A2K is an inferior intellectual environment, when really, what we are is a very broad church. We're used to that & the philosophers aren't.

On the other hand, I see a number of the philosophers clinging onto their previous culture for dear life, almost. I can understand that, too. But the reality is that the philosophers threads here will never be exactly the same as on their old (exclusively philosophy) forum, because (obviously) anyone can contribute to any thread here. There are no exclusive anything threads. Anyone can contribute to any thread if they want to. Sometimes this can be a positive thing, at other times it can be downright maddening.

I think, too, we A2Kers are much more used to digressions from thread topics (though definitely not always welcome!) & also outbreaks of aggression, even, when contentious topics are discussed. The philosophers, by contrast, appear to me to be much more formal & polite in such circumstances.

Anyway, just my two bobs' worth at this stage ... I'm actually rather relieved that our dealings with each other feel more real & straightforward. It is much more interesting than the initial "love bombing" welcoming phase. Wink Well to me, anyway!

I'm thinking phase # 3 (when things have finally settled down & adjustments made) might be really good! Especially if a bit more cross-fertilization occurs. Smile



GoshisDead
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jun, 2010 10:45 pm
Philosophy is simply a meta-conversation, or in some people's cases a meta-monologue; Inherently abstract and unattainably, universal.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jun, 2010 12:32 am
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
I barely knew what a corgi was either, having just got him from the Humane Society pound. I think I barely knew what google was, though I had fastened on the New York Times as something I could read, having earlier subscribed to it from Los Angeles. Anyway, I remember fear of people answering and challenging me, even though I was a grown woman with a fair education in life. And those fears weren't about any of my beliefs - I'd not gotten that far in worry yet. It was more generalized fear. All those people out there...
Is that like stage fright ?





David
 

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