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Why People Seek Solace In Gods.

 
 
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 03:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I think practicality covers it pretty well. Humans should be able to do anything they please except hurt others.

Where is the practicality of helping out someone else if it costs you in any way?

Doesn't really fly. There has to be another factor.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 05:22 pm
@Leadfoot,
It's called humility and humanity.
When a country has a disaster, many other countries come to their aid. Even when the US has a disaster, many countries came to our aid.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 06:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So help is only offered when there is a need or expectation of payback.

Nice try but that doesn't explain humility or humanity.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jul, 2016 06:43 pm
@Leadfoot,
Quote:
So help is only offered when there is a need or expectation of payback.


You need to study English comprehension. I never suggested such a stupid thing.
mark noble
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2016 07:32 am
@Leadfoot,
Lead - Does this short film (4 mins) help Cic to get you or not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI5odcCvrbg

If you have the time and inclination to opinionate on this film - I would like that.
Puts humility into perspective.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2016 07:49 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
You need to study English comprehension. I never suggested such a stupid thing.

Your example was that countries come to each other's aid when disasters happen. That suggests a practical reason for helping each other, not necessarily compassion or humility.

Remember, you are the one arguing for practicality as a result of evolution and that inborn compassion and humility are not part of that equation.

Do you wish to change your position?
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2016 07:54 am
@mark noble,
Can't watch it off grid, bandwidth too low here but will check it out next time I'm in a hot spot.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2016 01:32 pm
Many Rabbis consider prayer as a call or petition to God for assistance in some matter. God hears all prayers, but being wise, God evaluates the pros and cons of fulling each petition.

If God thinks the the prayer , if answered will benefit he who does the praying, then the prayer will be said to have been answered. Not all prayers are answered, and based on what has been said about the value of a prayer to the well being of the individual, all prayers should not be answered.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2016 01:46 pm
@Leadfoot,
Of coarse not. You just do not comprehend words such as compassion.
Quote:
com·pas·sion
kəmˈpaSHən/Submit
noun
sympathetic pity and concern for the sufferings or misfortunes of others.
"the victims should be treated with compassion"
synonyms: pity, sympathy, empathy, fellow feeling, care, concern, solicitude, sensitivity, warmth, love, tenderness, mercy, leniency, tolerance, kindness, humanity, charity
"have you no compassion for a fellow human being?"
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2016 04:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And how does evolutionary practicality account for that? If you will recall, that was your claim some posts ago - that practicality covered the reason people were compassionate. If you get nothing in return, where is the practicality?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2016 04:49 pm
@Leadfoot,
If you understand human evolution, there is no way we were made in the image of god.

http://biblehub.com/genesis/1-27.htm

http://humanorigins.si.edu/education/introduction-human-evolution
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2016 04:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
When you run out of arguments, change the subject.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jul, 2016 04:56 pm
@Leadfoot,
How does the bible or human evolution change the subject?
Miller
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 11:02 am
@Leadfoot,
The mystical concepts of Islam easily explain, how at the time of one's death, the human soul seeks out it's creator. These concepts help to ease the human passage along the corridors to a good death.

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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2016 11:04 am
@Leadfoot,
Leadfoot wrote:

So help is only offered when there is a need or expectation of payback.

Nice try but that doesn't explain humility or humanity.


No, it certainly does not...
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2016 01:57 pm
@mark noble,
How odd !! Do you follow your faith to the LETTER?

Isn't that what Jesus said to NEVER do ?
St Paul too makes this central : ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Even the heretical Gnostic writings kept that central truth

the story about the disciples plucking
grain on the sabbath luke 61 5 is followed by another short
story not found in other manuscripts it reads on the same day
when he saw a man working on the sabbath he said to him man
blessed are you if you know what you are doing but if you dont
know you are cursed and a transgressor of the law

And what about the story of the Rich Man, only the emphasis on the Spirit as against the Letter makes sense of it

"and the lord said to him why do you say J
1
I have kept the law and the prophets for it is written in the law thou shalt love
thy neighbor as thyself and behold many of your brothers children
of abraham are dressed in filthy rags and dying of hunger and your
house is full of many good things yet nothing at all goes out from it
to them
"
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AugustineBrother
 
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Reply Mon 8 Aug, 2016 03:41 pm
@mark noble,
Sorry , Ignoble, but I can't get over how dumb number 6 is. As if you have no idea what Jewish or Christian belief actually is.

IF you followed the Sabbath to the letter then you would NOT be following Jesus as He showed by parable and example.

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CVeigh
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 11:11 am
@mark noble,
Hmm, this reminds me of that quote
"This report, by its very length, defends itself against the risk of being read." - Winston Churchill

But that number 6 is striking. In Judaism and Christianity that is the mark of an irreligious man
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Thu 11 Aug, 2016 12:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
How does the bible or human evolution change the subject?

When you have to explain someone's own argument to them or point out that they have answered their own question, it's time to quit trying.
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mark noble
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2016 10:40 am
@CVeigh,
No idea what you mean.
I was feigning aggression in order to get suspended.
Now, I'm curious as to why not - But, not curious enough to bother.
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