God's Lottery

@Reyn,

Hi Reyn,
Why's that? I'm only saying "what will be will be" Doesn't mean it's foreseeable or innately negative.
Journey well sir.
Mark...

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@Krumple,

Hi Krumple,
Why do you think that you know what my interpretation of God is, when I haven't even stated a sentience application to It? And why (regarding prior post) Do you think that the internal workings of QM are known? When they are not.
Anyway - Have a great evening, sir.
Mark...

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

Hi Krumple,
Why do you think that you know what my interpretation of God is, when I haven't even stated a sentience application to It?

I never did state what you believe, i was only deducing aspects and possibilities and the flaw within reasoning if such properties were true. i didn't even need to know what you believe.

mark noble wrote:

And why (regarding prior post) Do you think that the internal workings of QM are known? When they are not.

I never said known, i said knowledge of. there is a difference. your talk is like a person who doesn't understand how a car engine works, you might have a very superficial understanding, that there is some fuel, air and a spark but out side that you don't know the process. So you might be making assumptions based on that lack of knowledge. My claim is to match that and say you make your claim without any knowledge of QM. Did I say anything like QM is known fact? No. However if some of the theories are correct then what you claim here would be in conflict. So how is it you can make your claim?

I find it incredibly funny that you can make claims like this

"Yes, of course God does. Nothing is random. All is predestined."

but then turn around and say, "Do you think that the internal workings of QM are known? When they are not."

You can't even notice your own contradiction here?

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@Krumple,

Hi Krumple,
What claim?
Be merrier.
Mark...

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

Hi Krumple,
What claim?
Be merrier.
Mark...

Are you seriously going to start playing this game again Mark?

"Yes, of course God does. Nothing is random. All is predestined."

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@Krumple,

Hi Krumple,
Would you please point out my contradiction, because I truly can't see one?
Thankyou.
Mark...

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

Hi Krumple,
Would you please point out my contradiction, because I truly can't see one?
Thankyou.
Mark...

I already did.

How is it you can say that all things are predestined and then turn around and say QM doesn't know?

You know that everything is predestined. Well how is it you know this?

QM is all theory and does not profess that it knows, yet you can say that you know that all things are predestined?

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@Krumple,

Krumple wrote:

How is it you can say that all things are predestined and then turn around and say QM doesn't know?

You know that everything is predestined. Well how is it you know this?

QM is all theory and does not profess that it knows, yet you can say that you know that all things are predestined?

Hi Krumple,

1) Is this a mistype? QM doesn't know what? I don't think QM has the ability to "KNOW" things - It is not sentient!

2) It's my opinion, based on my belief system - This is what I believe.

3) See 1+2.

Have we crossed wires somewhere, because I truly do not know what you are on about.
Where is the contradiction?
Thank you Krumple, journey well.
Mark...

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

Krumple wrote:

How is it you can say that all things are predestined and then turn around and say QM doesn't know?

You know that everything is predestined. Well how is it you know this?

QM is all theory and does not profess that it knows, yet you can say that you know that all things are predestined?

Hi Krumple,

1) Is this a mistype? QM doesn't know what? I don't think QM has the ability to "KNOW" things - It is not sentient!

2) It's my opinion, based on my belief system - This is what I believe.

3) See 1+2.

Have we crossed wires somewhere, because I truly do not know what you are on about.
Where is the contradiction?
Thank you Krumple, journey well.
Mark...

i don't want to play this game with you. you know exactly what i am asking of you yet you completely ignore it and try to redirect the conversation as to continue to avoid it.

how is it you know with certainty that everything is predestined?

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

sometime sun wrote:

What do you think lottery is or means?

Thanks

Intrepid wrote:

It doesn't matter what I think a lottery is. A lottery is defined as a form of gambling which involves the drawing of lots for a prize.

I hope you realise you just said 'it doesn't matter what I think'.

Intrepid wrote:

If you are trying to use a definition other than what it actually is, you are not being honest in your question.

Read the whole topic again, and see what I am not being honest about,
asking for you to answer what IS there, but also asking what IS NOT there.

Thanks and please look up 'lottery' in the dictionary.

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@Krumple,

Hi Krumple,
I AM NOT, and have NEVER played games with you. I'm not shouting here either, just making it clear. Why would I play games with you? I'm trying to understand your point!

Q "How is it I know with certainty that everything is predestined?"
A "Because I am as certain of my own knowledge, as is a Christian certain of God. Are you certain of your knowledge Krumple?
Have a lovely day.
Mark..

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@sometime sun,

Yes, I do realize that I wrote "it does not matter what I think". The reason being is that I DID give the dictionary definition of lottery and that is the definition regardless of what I think.

Your reading comprehension could use a little work, but otherwise I will allow you to have the bit of fun that you seem to be having.

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

Are you certain of your knowledge Krumple?

Nope, and to be consistent nothing can be known with absolute certainty.

mark noble wrote:

Q "How is it I know with certainty that everything is predestined?"
A "Because I am as certain of my own knowledge, as is a Christian certain of God.

Yep you assume that since it is religion it is right but have absolutely no basis for that.

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

Yes, I do realize that I wrote "it does not matter what I think". The reason being is that I DID give the dictionary definition of lottery and that is the definition regardless of what I think.

Your reading comprehension could use a little work, but otherwise I will allow you to have the bit of fun that you seem to be having.

Yes my reading comprehension could use some work.
'lottery'; anything which is thought to be a matter of chance.

If you had allowed me anything you would not have thought so rottenly of me and tried to embarrass me.

(Great another one who thinks I am in this for ego kicks)
(well maybe a little ego, but I do regularly shrivel it) (sun smile)

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@Krumple,

Hi Krumple,
Is it my opinion that annoys you, the strength of my conviction, or just the fact that we disagree on this issue?
You seem awfully intent on attacking my opinion. I'm not forcing it on you or anyone else. I'm just answering posted questions.
Be well.
Mark...

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@Intrepid,

Please, I am just getting used to myself.
My intention is never to debase.
Perhaps just debunk or defunk a little.
Perhaps,
and as you can see I'm not at all good at it.

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@sometime sun,

sometime sun wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

Yes, I do realize that I wrote "it does not matter what I think". The reason being is that I DID give the dictionary definition of lottery and that is the definition regardless of what I think.

Your reading comprehension could use a little work, but otherwise I will allow you to have the bit of fun that you seem to be having.

Yes my reading comprehension could use some work.
'lottery'; anything which is thought to be a matter of chance.

If you had allowed me anything you would not have thought so rottenly of me and tried to embarrass me.

(Great another one who thinks I am in this for ego kicks)
(well maybe a little ego, but I do regularly shrivel it) (sun smile)

It was not my desire or intent to embarrass you. Also, I make no judgement on you. I am not really concerned about your ego. I am only concerned with understanding what we are talking about.

Again, I am not trying to embarrass you, but your definition of lottery as being anything thought to be a matter of chance covers a wide area. Lottery, on the one hand is as I stated.

Given your definition, you seem to be asking more to whether God controls anything that we consider to be chance. Winning a lottery or otherwise. If you actually mean, by your original question.....Does God control everything we do, I would have to say no. Our own free will determines what we do with what He has provided us with. His guiding hand will, hopefully, help us to make proper choices.

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@mark noble,

mark noble wrote:

Hi Krumple,
Is it my opinion that annoys you, the strength of my conviction, or just the fact that we disagree on this issue?

No none of those, i just find it incredibly funny that you on one hand talk as if you know and you elevate your theology up to the level that everything about it is known. But you have absolutely no basis to do so, and turn around to ask a contradictory question about weather or not we can know anything in QM. Could you be any more inconsistent and contradicting?

mark noble wrote:

You seem awfully intent on attacking my opinion.

Only pointing out your flawed reasoning and common misconceptions.

mark noble wrote:

I'm not forcing it on you or anyone else. I'm just answering posted questions.

Yeah you'll just try to keep alive the misconceptions to maintain the level of ignorance among the populous. If you keep spreading the misinformation then theology can survive.

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@Krumple,

Krumple wrote:

mark noble wrote:
Are you certain of your knowledge Krumple?

Nope, and to be consistent nothing can be known with absolute certainty.

Hi Krumple,
You seem pretty certain about this, are you?
Thank you, and have a great day.
Mark...

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@Krumple,

Krumple wrote:

Yeah you'll just try to keep alive the misconceptions to maintain the level of ignorance among the populous. If you keep spreading the misinformation then theology can survive.

Hi Krumple,
"Then theology can survive"??? Are you blaming me personally for the furtherment of theology. I don't follow any fixed-religions. Nor would I lead anyone to believe in a man-made deity. My God, I'll have you know is no more than "Good Old" mother Nature, with a twist, that is. If you feel that attacking me, and my opinion helps - Go for it - I'm invulnerable to it, at least it saves others from your proselytising against them.
Thank you, and journey well, sir.
Mark...

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