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If you were a bookie... Polls and bets on the 2004 elections

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 11:20 am
Remember that stat -- did panzade post it? It was about how people like the underdog -- that showed that a clear majority THOUGHT Bush would win, even while polls show that who people are actually voting for was much, much closer...

13 to 10 is about as close as its gotten, isn't it? Equivalent to 6.5 to 5?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 11:21 am
Here we go, it was ebrown:

Quote:
7. Everybody sees Kerry as an underdog. An ABC news poll said that 53% of respondants think Bush will win compared with 32% who think Kerry will win (this is very different from asking who they support).
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 11:32 am
6.5 to 5, yes. It just went up from 6 to 5. Advantage Bush...
(sorry)
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 11:33 am
Foxfyre wrote:
It's hard to see Rasmussen as inserting partisanship into his polls, too, when often he has been one who has Kerry ahead when most of the others still give Bush the edge.

Nonsense.

Rasmussen polls only two-way races. In his week-by-week polling updates, he's had Bush ahead 20 out of 30 times since February, Kerry only 10 times. In the same period, the average of all two-way race polls I could find has had Kerry ahead for 16 of those 30 weeks, and Bush just 14.

Eg: 13 out of 18 times, Rasmussen polled more favourably for Bush than CBS/NYT. 11 out of 15 times, he polled more favourably for Bush than Newsweek. 7 out of 11 times, he polled more favourably to Bush than Time. 9 out of 16 times, he polled more favourably to Bush than IBD/CSM/TIPP. Only with Gallup he's at a par, and Fox has polled more favourably to Bush more often still than Rasmussen.

Not that that by itself proves Rasmussen is slanted towards the R's, though, it must be added. Because for its inclination to have had Bush up more often than the other polls another explanation is possible too. Namely that Rasmussen has just polled extremely cautiously this year. When Kerry was on average ahead 2-3%, Rasmussen would still have the race roughly a tie. But when Bush got to be ahead on average by 5+%, Rasmussen also had his lead merely at 2-3%.

Here's a graph to illustrate how the Rasmussen poll compares with the other two way race polls:

http://home.wanadoo.nl/anepiphany/images/rasmussen.gif
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:11 pm
Report from Ohio:

For the record, the ballot was NOT that abomination that nimh posted a while ago.

I wish it were -- no paper trail at all the way I did it. :-( (Should've voted early.)

It was just a big sheet of paper up against a machine, with lights flashing through the paper. Then you pushed on a square corresponding to your candidate, and the light for that section went steady, (stopped flashing).

Nader wasn't on the ballot. ("Candidate removed" sticker over his name.)

ID was required, and I had to sign next to a print-out of my signature when I registered. This was checked against my driver's license signature, too.

Didn't seem to be any observers.

My husband voted this morning and was in line for an hour and a half -- he asked them then when would be the best/ quickest time to vote, and they said around 2:00, so that's when I went. One person in line in front of me, about 8 people in line by the time I was done, passed a lot more people coming in as I left. So I think high turnout, just good timing. Remarkably painless.

I'm a nervous wreck, though.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:15 pm
Oh my informal tally showed 4 Kerry/Edwards bumperstickers, one W bumpersticker, 3 Kerry buttons, and no Bush buttons. Plus a beat-up truck of some kind with a big handmade sign on the back of it saying, "Same Sex Marriage????"
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kickycan
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 02:15 pm
Craven de Kere wrote:
I've long been predicting a Bush win, but I've never been so unsure of that as now (not because the election is upon us, but because of the data and trending I have been seeing).

I hadn't wanted to say anything because soz would claim I jinxed it, but I remembered that I don't cog to superstitious stuff...

Here's to some hope.


I also predicted Bush would win. And I still believe he will. In a landslide.

(There, that ought to unjinx it...)
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 03:59 pm
Kicky, don't be so dark.

All signs convincingly point to a Kerry win.

I promise you, Kerry will be our next president.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:01 pm
Oh **** I still got a bunch of last polls to process
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:03 pm
Even Zogby has Bush up by 6% in Ohio in his last poll ...

perhaps we'll lose Ohio after all, but win Florida? That would be even better ...
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:03 pm
We?
Didja vote, nimh?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:05 pm
I am confident Kerry takes Ohio. Voting trend data (and leaked VNS exit polls) suggest that my confidence is correct.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:11 pm
I'll throw my hat into the ring with ebrown on this one. Craven says he isn't superstitious; however John Kerry is VERY superstitious and it is reported he didn't break any mirrors and was able to avoid all black cats on Halloween.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:20 pm
nimh wrote:
Marist College
Survey conducted on October 31. Data compared with poll of October 21.
LINK

likely voters
Bush 48 (-1)
Kerry 49 (+1)

Nader 1 (no ch.)

registered voters
Bush 48 (+1)
Kerry 48 (+1)
Nader <1 (-1)


Marist puts out a last follow-up poll, with data from 1 November, but no change, really: Bush and Kerry both add a percentage point among likely voters, hold steady among registered voters:

likely voters (w/leaners)
Bush 49
Kerry 50

Nader 0 (no ch.)

registered voters
Bush 48
Kerry 48
Nader 1

nimh wrote:
George Washington University Battleground Poll
conducted by the Tarrance Group (R) and Lake Snell Perry & Associates (D).
Oct. 27-28 & 31, 2004, compared with October 25-28:

Bush 49 (-1)
Kerry 45 (no ch.)


(according to pollingreport.com and 2.004k.com, that is; according to realclearpolitics, it's Bush 49, Kerry 46 in both two- and three-way race, with Nader at 0%.)


The Battleground poll also released one last sample, gathered 31 October - 1 November; again, no change as both candidates add a percentage point.

Bush 50
Kerry 46


No specific last-minute momentum to talk of, apparently ...
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:21 pm
ehBeth wrote:
We?
Didja vote, nimh?

LOL! Razz

I was wondering if anyone would catch that ... got a little carried away there, didn't "we"? <giggles>
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:22 pm
Global village, baby.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:36 pm
nimh wrote:
In 2000, Zogby, TIPP, Gallup and Pew all were pretty close. Zogby had Gore in the lead by 2%, the others Bush by 2%; the end result was a tie, when you measure it in whole percentage points. CBS thus had been a little closer still: it had given a 1% edge in its last poll. But the one poll that had the elections pegged exactly right was Harris.

Harris did two polls, then. A conventional phone poll and an "interactive" poll. They both showed the same thing: the race at a tie. Gore 47%, Bush 47%.

So what does Harris say now? Yesterday, it again has two polls out. And, err ... they differ.

survey of 3,926 likely voters conducted online.
Kerry 49%
Bush 47%
Nader 1%
Badnarik 1%

survey of 1,092 likely voters conducted by telephone.
Bush 49%
Kerry 45%
Nader 2%

And just to ramp up the suspense some more,

"This is NOT the final Harris Interactive poll release before this election. We will continue to poll throughout today, Monday, November 1, and will analyze and release the results some time tonight or tomorrow morning"

No, the above were not the final polls by the polling winner of 2000. Because Harris does signal a last-minute momentum. Towards Kerry.

October 29, 2004 - November 1
online survey of 5,508 likely voters
Kerry 50%
Bush 47%
Nader 1%
Badnarik 1%

telephone survey of 1,509 likely voters
Bush 49%
Kerry 48%
Nader 2%

Note - the telephone poll still has Bush up, but by 3% less than in the penultimate poll:

Quote:
The final Harris Polls show Senator John Kerry making modest gains at the very end of the campaign [..] Both surveys suggest that Kerry has been making some gains over the course of the past few days [..] If this trend is real, then Kerry may actually do better than these numbers suggest. In the past, presidential challengers tend to do better against an incumbent President among the undecided voters during the last three days of the elections, and that appears to be the case here. [..] The surveys both suggest an increase of a few percentage points above the 51.3% turnout (of all adults) in 2000, but not as big an increase as some reports have suggested.


Plus, Harris got this:

Bush vs. Kerry in three key states
Based on online surveys of 1,433 likely voters in Florida, 1,204 likely voters in Pennsylvania, and 1,218 likely voters in Ohio, conducted between October 29 and November 1, 2004.

Florida: Kerry 51 Bush 47
Ohio: Kerry 51 Bush 47
Pennsylvania: Kerry 50 Bush 48

LINK
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:45 pm
Get ready to be happy...
This is not what I was expecting to see:

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02/NOV/04
07:00 PM 15519 Which candidate will win the U.S. Presidential Election in 2004?

George W. Bush -130

John Kerry -110
I believe 11 to 10 is Bush's worst odds since the Casino opened the line. Shocked
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:48 pm
oh my!
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 2 Nov, 2004 04:48 pm
A last Economist/YouGov poll, 29 Oct - 1 Nov compared with earlier last week:

Kerry 50 (+1)
Bush 47 (+2)

Nader 1 (no ch.)
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