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A consequence of capitalism?

 
 
TranscendHumanit
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 09:05 am
@RDRDRD1,
RDRDRD1;149925 wrote:
"Capitalism is civilization"? What a curious and narrow grasp of the history of man and the ways of mankind. It's unclear whether you're referring to some abstract, garden-variety capitalism or other forms such as the recent wave of bubble capitalism and subsequent casino or cowboy capitalism.


By capitalism I mean French laissez-faire. Never truly existed, but I think everything worth called 'civilization' either is or product of the elements that have existed of such 'capitalism'. Now today we have corporate socialism and welfare state everywhere in world.
xris
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 09:36 am
@TranscendHumanit,
TranscendHumanit;149928 wrote:
By capitalism I mean French laissez-faire. Never truly existed, but I think everything worth called 'civilization' either is or product of the elements that have existed of such 'capitalism'. Now today we have corporate socialism and welfare state everywhere in world.
Im sure Shangri la exists for many with imagination but without evidence we assume its wishful thinking.
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RDRDRD1
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 11:53 am
@Jackofalltrades phil,
Curious TH. Do you consider the Scandinavians civilized? Your concept of civilization appears to be a fringe view not broadly accepted by most. What is civilization other than a social structure that accommodates a complex array of economic, social, political, legal and religious interests? It really defies definition by any particular economic system alone. There are many on this site who see even mild socialism as undemocratic, again a fringe view. I doubt there are many capable of surviving without the benefit of some aspects of socialism. They merely delude themselves that it would be viable but delusion is a poor foundation for philosophy, isn't it?
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TranscendHumanit
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 11:57 am
@Jackofalltrades phil,
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What is civilization other than a social structure that accommodates a complex array of economic, social, political, legal and religious interests?

Civilization is jurisprudential norms that make resolution of conflicts over scarce resources possible. Political allocation and force are (by definition) the opposite of this.
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RDRDRD1
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 07:22 am
@Jackofalltrades phil,
To deprive "civilization" of all meaning beyond a system of providing "resolution of conflicts over scarce resources" is to stand reason on its head. Argue that if you like but excuse me if I abstain from this silliness.
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StochasticBeauty
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 02:04 pm
@Jackofalltrades phil,
There is more to capitalism than just social darwinism. The sytem of capitalism controls how people effect their government. In American society for example, it would be safe to see the government as a large insurance company. To have that insurance company privatized (fitting a capitalist model) or socialized is something that is not black in white. Social security, healthcare etc all have different effects and not all fit the schema of capitalism.

Generally for a government/society to have a maximum effect on reaching it's goals (from a to-down approach) it has to employ a method that works to insure livelihood to it's majority. The obvious flaw is that the majority is situationally favored - this is why many traditional models of economics (like the invisible hand mentioned by Adam Smith) are WRONG. Information is often asymmetric and to say that some ideology is universal is very poetic but not accurate.
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HexHammer
 
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Reply Thu 15 Apr, 2010 09:09 am
@Jackofalltrades phil,
Jackofalltrades;129920 wrote:
Please read a newsbit on this click

Is this a consequence of capitalism?

Is 'creation of wealth, and more wealth'..... any good to the world at large. Is greed a good attribute for becoming rich, and more rich?

We also hear about US govts move to educate children on the ills of obesity. Is america citizens and other capitalist society and their clones or their ilk falling prey to their own habits.

Where are we heading for?........ Kindly place your views.
Think it isn't exclusive for capitalism, but capitalistic countries may have the highest rate of TV viewers, since they have the most money to buy TV's on broad scale, else poor countries may have TV viewers as much since they don't have jobs.
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bmcreider
 
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Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 10:29 am
@Jackofalltrades phil,
Hex does have a point. The sad statistics of our country are connected in more ways than one....

but capitalism is still a part of that story, too...
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