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What is intelligence?

 
 
DrFunk
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 06:50 pm
@Yogi DMT,
In my opinion, intelligence can be defined in many different ways. What I mean by this is that there are many types of "intelligence".

It could be the capacity of dealing with new information. How do you react to new material? How can you sort what is relevant from what is useless? How well can you identify propaganda and develop a way of despising it? Can you build your own judgement? Or do you just follow/believe word for word what has been said to you?

In other words, are you able to come to conclusions by yourself or do you need someone to guide you?

Then, there could be the more "mathematical" definition of intelligence which would be your capacity to remember and to apply different formulas to a situation in order to solve it.

What do you guys think?
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HexHammer
 
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Reply Sat 1 May, 2010 08:37 pm
@ Descartes ,
_Descartes_;159073 wrote:
First off sorry about my last post it was 3am and i was tired, it all kind of ran together. Anyway, now to answer the sarah palin question, how you see someone as stupid and how i see it our two completely different realms. your still basing your perception of knowledge from another man, dont look at it like that, understand that there can be no test in the world that can ever show true intelligence in the terms i am speaking on behalf of. Im not trying to convince but rather have you question what you think you know. Intelligence is beyond that of a simple definition of word with a man bias twist on it. Intelligence is just that of thinking beyond your ordinary boundary. Because we can fathom elements of life that are immaterial and not of that of sense of imperialism, that shows that our minds intelligence is beyond what we simply call thinking outside of the box. Consequently for that very reason you can never measure intelligence because you cannot measure the mind, its not seen with any perception of sense but we perceive it with a notion of thought and consciousness, thats why no one is stupid or dumb every single person has the choice to be truly " intelligent" or whatever you may call because we have thought, some people just choose, consciously or unconsciously, to utilize their mind in that aspect of thinking for them self, and not that of conformity and uniformity to put a standard on what another man perceives as intelligent.
Uhmmm ..yearh, it's quite obvious that you are no leader, that have to depend on competent workers in order to keep a buisness afloat, if/when you ever get to that, it would be a miracle.

Ofcause you are per se right in we might never be able to test people's tru intellect, but there's a far cry between being able to see if a person is stupid or somewhat intelligent.

Imo you are sorely ignorent about the topic at hand, read up on intelligences, that would help you greatly in understanding it.
Descartes
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2010 09:19 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;159150 wrote:
Uhmmm ..yearh, it's quite obvious that you are no leader, that have to depend on competent workers in order to keep a buisness afloat, if/when you ever get to that, it would be a miracle.

Ofcause you are per se right in we might never be able to test people's tru intellect, but there's a far cry between being able to see if a person is stupid or somewhat intelligent.

Imo you are sorely ignorent about the topic at hand, read up on intelligences, that would help you greatly in understanding it.


I do not believe you understand the question at hand. You obviously lack the competence to grasp an idea outside of your normal realm, im not judging but you seem to close your mind down in order to preserve your conformed thought. Competent workers? what does that have to do with intelligence? If your implying that i lack the "smarts" to run my own business maybe you need to look in the mirror and grasp an idea of who you really are before you give out life lessons on what you think you know. I believe i answered the question in whole, so to question my knowledge on this is truely ignorant itself. You had to resort to petty belittling in order to prove your case, you do not understand the topic nor do i believe you have the capacity in which to utilize your thought process in a clear and well organized manner, that is why you got really defensive with my response. The meaning of this site is to utilize your mind in an orderly place not have an ignorant conformity minded individual try and give a life lecture.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Mon 3 May, 2010 09:46 pm
@ Descartes ,
_Descartes_;159778 wrote:
I do not believe you understand the question at hand. You obviously lack the competence to grasp an idea outside of your normal realm, im not judging but you seem to close your mind down in order to preserve your conformed thought. Competent workers? what does that have to do with intelligence? If your implying that i lack the "smarts" to run my own business maybe you need to look in the mirror and grasp an idea of who you really are before you give out life lessons on what you think you know. I believe i answered the question in whole, so to question my knowledge on this is truely ignorant itself. You had to resort to petty belittling in order to prove your case, you do not understand the topic nor do i believe you have the capacity in which to utilize your thought process in a clear and well organized manner, that is why you got really defensive with my response. The meaning of this site is to utilize your mind in an orderly place not have an ignorant conformity minded individual try and give a life lecture.
If you have this allerged understanding of intelligence, then please tell me which intelligences can work idependantly, which can work together?
DAC
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 01:32 am
@Yogi DMT,
Evolution works with survival of difference then fittest and I suppose the way the brain works could be the same.

Muhammad Ali and Einstein are two three dimensional, visionary, motivated and mussel thinkers both apparently dyslexic, I know which one I would prefer not to be in a fight with.
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jeeprs
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 02:19 am
@Yogi DMT,
What on earth is a 'mussel thinker'? And why do you think Einstein was dyslexic? I have just finished a biography of Einstein, and there was nothing mentioned about him being dyslexic.

Incidentally, _Descartes_ you may be amused to know I failed my very first University psych essay (long time ago now), the topic of which was about the theory and application of intelligence tests. I wrote an essay on intelligence being something that could not be measured. Lecturer wrote: "F - wrong department". It was a valuable lesson.
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DAC
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 03:17 am
@Yogi DMT,
Mussel thinkers are people who use there mussels to think about things. Thomas A. Edison "Great ideas originate in the muscles" a bit beyond me but I am working on it.

Weather Einstein was dyslexic is open to debate. He showed some signs of being dyslexic, failed at school, problems with speech and maths and thought about space but it is very difficult to tell, it is not that easy now days.

What was the answer conclusion to your essay?
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jeeprs
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 04:54 am
@Yogi DMT,
It is not true that Einstein failed at school. That is an urban myth. I read a recent biography called Einstein: His Life and Universe, by Walter Isaacson. He had no particular issues at school, but he didn't stand out, either.

Conclusion to my essay - I argued, like Descartes above, that 'intelligence is not something you can measure'. I said that intelligence tests measure a very particular type of ability. Intelligence itself is much harder to pin down. So I got failed. But it was right that I got failed. I didn't answer the question that they asked me, I answered something else I was thinking about. This was a lesson and one I needed to learn.
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Descartes
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 04:11 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;159782 wrote:
If you have this allerged understanding of intelligence, then please tell me which intelligences can work idependantly, which can work together?

Intelligence works together in every aspect of the mind, because intelligence is just that of thinking, your consciousness and subconscious work together intermittently. I mean this in the sense that just because your conscious is aware of your thought process and how you formulate every aspect of a conscious state of mind your sub-conscious still motivates your other aspects of your mind without you being aware. So the question would be how can intelligence be measured in the conscious state of mind in which you cannot test consciousness itself? Just because i am aware of what i think i know does not show your true 'Smarts' it only shows what you have perceieved throughout your life has in-turn helped you gain a sense of self-awareness in that your knowledge comes from doing and not that of a test. Intelligence is seen as fact and when there is no fact how can you test intelligence in the terms of empiricism when empiricism itself has no grounds for what it thinks it knows. You never gain intelligence you just gain knowledge because you cannot test intelligence, you just know what you have perceived throughout your life span and that in-turn gives you a sense of reality and understanding only in the terms of knowing that you are consciously aware.

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jeeprs;159861 wrote:
What on earth is a 'mussel thinker'? And why do you think Einstein was dyslexic? I have just finished a biography of Einstein, and there was nothing mentioned about him being dyslexic.

Incidentally, _Descartes_ you may be amused to know I failed my very first University psych essay (long time ago now), the topic of which was about the theory and application of intelligence tests. I wrote an essay on intelligence being something that could not be measured. Lecturer wrote: "F - wrong department". It was a valuable lesson.

Of course now if this was psych. 101 we have to be talking about intelligence in the sense of being measured on a test; but this isn't psychology this is philosophy and were not suppose to be thinking of that of measurability on a test more so the mind in which our intelligence derives from. But i dont know it seems like most people in here are on a kick with emperialism rather than dualism ( which is where i stand ).
jeeprs
 
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Reply Tue 4 May, 2010 04:48 pm
@Yogi DMT,
I believe the term is 'empiricism'. Have a look at this essay: A Fabulous Evolutionary Defense of Dualism :: Clay Farris Naff :: Global Spiral
Descartes
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 12:08 am
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;160143 wrote:
I believe the term is 'empiricism'. Have a look at this essay: A Fabulous Evolutionary Defense of Dualism :: Clay Farris Naff :: Global Spiral

Thank you for that spell error i had noticed that when i posted it earlier, but yea ill check it out and get back to you on what i think of it.
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HexHammer
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 12:17 am
@ Descartes ,
_Descartes_;160131 wrote:
Intelligence works together in every aspect of the mind, because intelligence is just that of thinking, your consciousness and subconscious work together intermittently. I mean this in the sense that just because your conscious is aware of your thought process and how you formulate every aspect of a conscious state of mind your sub-conscious still motivates your other aspects of your mind without you being aware. So the question would be how can intelligence be measured in the conscious state of mind in which you cannot test consciousness itself? Just because i am aware of what i think i know does not show your true 'Smarts' it only shows what you have perceieved throughout your life has in-turn helped you gain a sense of self-awareness in that your knowledge comes from doing and not that of a test. Intelligence is seen as fact and when there is no fact how can you test intelligence in the terms of empiricism when empiricism itself has no grounds for what it thinks it knows. You never gain intelligence you just gain knowledge because you cannot test intelligence, you just know what you have perceived throughout your life span and that in-turn gives you a sense of reality and understanding only in the terms of knowing that you are consciously aware.
It's not clear you lack modern knowledge of intelligence.
Descartes
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 01:21 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;160229 wrote:
It's not clear you lack modern knowledge of intelligence.

what is modern intelligence? Is it intelligence based off the fact that we only learn in the sense of reading,tests,etc. or Is modern intelligence only of that what another perceives as intelligence only to form your opinion based off another mans bias twist on what he thinks it is?
HexHammer
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 01:53 am
@ Descartes ,
_Descartes_;160240 wrote:
what is modern intelligence? Is it intelligence based off the fact that we only learn in the sense of reading,tests,etc. or Is modern intelligence only of that what another perceives as intelligence only to form your opinion based off another mans bias twist on what he thinks it is?
I don't know the name of the term, I'v only learned it through discussion with a doctor friend of mine who are a brain specialist.

Please allow me to suggest that you vist the sience forum and ask there, then they would most likely be willing to guide you.
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DAC
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 02:01 am
@Yogi DMT,
I think that Jeeprs has a good point in that what is intelligent is driven by what you are looking for i.e. if I look at achievement and out come for intelligence I could argue that it is important to be tall and good looking to be intelligent.

From a brain mechanics point of view I think it is more likely that there are a number of different types of intellectual abilities as evolution dose not know what is intelligent or not. The brain could have adapted to have multiple different ways of thinking to suit different environments, as long as people are not that different and can still communicate having different types of intelligent skills means that they can work together.
i.e. is it better to be narrow minded and focused or open minded and vague I think it would be better to have both as long as they can work together, similar to the way businesses are made up of lots of different people and skills.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 02:17 am
@DAC,
DAC;160249 wrote:
From a brain mechanics point of view I think it is more likely that there are a number of different types of intellectual abilities as evolution dose not know what is intelligent or not. The brain could have adapted to have multiple different ways of thinking to suit different environments, as long as people are not that different and can still communicate having different types of intelligent skills means that they can work together.
i.e. is it better to be narrow minded and focused or open minded and vague I think it would be better to have both as long as they can work together, similar to the way businesses are made up of lots of different people and skills.
Do you know the term autistic savant? Super savant? Number savant?
placebo
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 04:20 am
@HexHammer,
What is intelligence?
It's a vague and quite abstract concept. Intelligence is exactly what is measured by an IQ test. Psychologists use to differentiate the components of it, because the basic concept is not specific enough for most purposes.
HexHammer
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 04:26 am
@placebo,
placebo;160266 wrote:
What is intelligence?
It's a vague and quite abstract concept. Intelligence is exactly what is measured by an IQ test. Psychologists use to differentiate the components of it, because the basic concept is not specific enough for most purposes.
Thouht it was quite clear now for 3 decades that IQ test only really test 1-2 of our intelligences, it doesn't test rethorics, motor skills, observation skills, preception skills ..etc.
placebo
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 05:01 am
@HexHammer,
And somebody will ask what is motor skills, what is rhetorics, observation skills, perception skills etc. They're not less vague than intelligence itself. You can't really measure what is not in the physical world, I think. These are sometimes useful, but very inexact terms.
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jeeprs
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 05:07 am
@Yogi DMT,
actually I will chip in here with a concrete suggestion which is not TOO vague.

I recall reading once that the derivation of the word 'intelligence' is from 'inter leger' or 'between lines'. So it is an ability to make inferences or judgements, to understand the significance of what is being seen.

Another definition is a Buddhist one - intelligence is the ability to make distinctions.

Both these definitions, or notions, capture something about the capacity to make judgements or distinctions. I think this is something particular to intelligence, as distinct from just 'consciousness' or 'perception' or even 'awareness'.
 

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