Proof that God is morally good & other properties of God

Just a question. Why do you believe in electrons?

Well how about I ask the question in a slightly different way. Are flying pink elephants moral? Answer that for me please.

So then if God is not energy, what is it?

For one, God by definition is a word that mankind created to describe a mythological deity that hovers above life and is to be worshiped in fear because of eternal death and damnation.

God is just a word to describe an unknown. So God could very well be the energy that surrounds all life.

No, I don't agree with the properties of energy being uncaring because there's one attribute in all universe and that's balance. If balance is not met, energy will change and shift to keep balance in this creating universe. Thus energy cares about balance. We may actually have created a Godlike creature to worship and called it God but in fact, it may actually be the energy of the universe that breaths life into everything.

The difficulty in all of this is man's perception of what God is. For me, it's a definition and word created by man to define something man has yet to uncover. And to believe it, one must have faith in what another man has written or seen while he could have been using hallucinogenic drugs.

So, while we don't know for certain of man's definition of god, we do know that there is energy and balance in all creation. We can see it, measure it and confirm it. We KNOW that anything that becomes out of balance is detrimental and nature will bring it back into balance or prune it all together. We also not the power of nature in respect to balance.

So for me, I believe there's a god but not the god most people have defined in their minds. If there's a God at all, that god is the balancing energy that supplies all of life and that presence is within us all making us co-creators with this balance and energy, thus making us Gods in a philosophical sense.

Because they're empirically demonstrable. I believe in electrons for the same reason that I believe in molten lava and snow leopards, even though I've never seen those with my naked eyes either.

Well for me they are a theory that can be backed up by the mathematics of chemistry. We can make predictions based off their existence and test those predictions in the lab. We can repeat these tests over and over and come to pretty much the same results. It is why we have chemistry.

I have never seen one but it doesn't mean there isn't something there acting how we understand electrons to behave.

So what are you getting at by asking the question?

This implies that energy consciously strives for balance? I don't think so. To me it is just opposing forces that cancel each other which creates balance. I don't think there is any thought behind it, if there were you could conclude that it should have the ability to Will an imbalance then. But we never see that, so there is obviously no conscious decision for balance.

The only time there is no balance is when one force overwhelms another force for a time.

And I hope you see why that seems so utterly ridiculous.

What kind of energy exactly? Heat? Kinetic Energy? Potential Energy? Nuclear Energy? This is why saying god is energy is a cop out. Of all the types of energy what kind is god? If we understand the nature of energy and how to produce and manipulate it, then how is it a god?

Tomorrow energy from the sun doesn't care if solar winds were to blasted off it's surface, headed towards earth and ripped our ozone off over top of us. This would actually be more "beneficial" (for lack of a better word) to the Universe because it would increase the overall entropy of it.

I'm insinuating you consider me this, but people who don't like when I challenge them on the existence of gods act like this.

So Pantheism?

What's utterly ridiculous? Not sure I understand. Please be a bit more clear.

A cop out?... yeah, that's the point in all this. So we can have a cop out. LOL.

You've done a fine job or taking one source of energy and dividing it into different types of energy with names. Those energies are all effect of One energy IMHO. Again, this is a world of effect and we are blind to the cause therefore our focus in on effect of what can be measured and defined by either science or religion.

is a scalar physical quantity that describes the amount of work that can be performed by a force

It goes well far beyond that. Maybe energy isn't the right word, maybe electricity would be a better word. Or how about electric-wave universe.

You say how is it God? I don't know, maybe you should tell me which God you are referring to first. I'm not referring to God, I'm referring to universal energy not a deity. Energy is present in all things. God is present in all things. Energy gives life, God gives life. Do you see the correlation? God is a word that man gave to describe a deity or the source of life.

It doesn't? Please explain then why this hasn't happened. I'd be most interested in understanding your interpretation of this. The sky has been falling for many many thousands of years according to man.. but it hasn't fallen a bit.

??? You've lost me. You're insinuating I consider what? I simply responded directly to your posts I assumed nothing. What cockamamie idea is it that you feel I consider you anything at all.

Who are you challenging my friend? You aren't challenging me that I can see on anything. All you are is making assumptions. My challenge is in understanding what you are saying here.

Not sure is it? I'm not into isms but if that's a word to describe something I've said above... well, so-be-it. I'm not into making labels or using the isms that many use and could actually care less what ism it is.

Am I missing something here?

The notion of eternal reward/punishment upon death.

No it's not all one source of energy but ok. When I'm talking energy I'm talking about it's standard definition:

Why do you assume there has to be a cause that needs an explaination via religion?

Could you explain what you mean here a little more? Your terms aren't quite making sense to me.

I'm not referring to any specific gods. So essentially you are saying the entire Universe is a god/gods?

I didn't say it was going to happen or that it's even stastically probable to. My point is that there is no conscious action by energy. It's simply a manifestation of a natural Universe.

That was a typo on my part. I'll edit now to avoid confusion.

I'm pretty sure that's what Pantheism is but I could be wrong.

Pantheism (Greek: πάν (pan) = all and θεός (theos) = God, literally "God is all" -ism) is the view that everything is part of an all-encompassing immanent God. In pantheism, the Universe (Nature) and God are considered equivalent and synonymous. More detailed definitions tend to emphasize the idea that God is better understood as an abstract principle representing natural law, existence, and the Universe (the sum total of all that was, is and shall be), rather than as an anthropomorphic entity. With some exceptions, pantheism is non-theistic, but it is not atheistic[.

As far as my understanding goes, which may admittedly be inadequate, I am under the assumption that they are not, in fact, empirically demonstrable. I thought they were theoretical only. Am I wrong?

OK, then what's the source of it all?

I didn't assume that. I think you are assuming. I'm not into religion because it divides people but as others have said, it has also built a moral system. The cause surely cannot be explained by any one religion and that's not at all what I was trying to say.

If you were to drill down to the smallest particle of molecule or the smallest source of anything, there's one thing that science cannot wrap their heads around. All there is is light. Use the most sophisticated microscope in the world and at the heart and core of everything is light. So one source of energy, present in all things at the core of all things and that is scientific, not religious.

To explain electric waves would take many pages, a book perhaps so I won't bother trying to explain what an electric wave universe is. Do a google search and see what you come up on that term. It may be interesting.

I've done a bit of searching and here's what I've found that maybe some decent reading:

Healthydoctors insight newsletter article bioenergetic medicine may be the missing link.

PJ 13 God Said Let There be Light Chapters 14 & 15

University of Science and Philosophy - P.O. Box 520, Waynesboro, VA 22980 - Light

So if we are merely a reflection of electricity, our reflection would be our physical counterpart and if God is omni-everything then we're just a chip off the old block. :detective:

We get caught up in the physical reflection which is the material world in which man creates and idolizes. Unknowingly we reflect ourselves into the world attracting that which we reflect. Separation from the divine source comes with basing our existence on what we consider to be our physical reality when in all actuality, the physical world and our physical body is not what we are or who we are, but it's easy to get caught up in the illusion.

Let's not get too caught up in all this because I don't want to derail the topic.

The natural universe seeks balance. If anything at all, we know beyond any doubt that BALANCE is a big and very important word. So if there is a God, then couldn't god be described as balance? The universe has also one other unique characteristic and that is LOVE. What's unique about it that love actually creates balance. So we could thus say that God, assuming that there is one, could in fact be described as BALANCE and LOVE. Nature exemplifies both of these so perfectly yet so subtly and humankind pays very little attention because we are caught up in a world of illusion or sexed opposites of a light wave or particle under atomic pressures which separate ourselves even further from the truth. Thus making it necessary to create religions to explain that which we do not understand.

As far as my understanding goes, which may admittedly be inadequate, I am under the assumption that they are not, in fact, empirically demonstrable. I thought they were theoretical only. Am I wrong?

What I am getting at, is simply that we cannot directly witness an electron. It's existence cannot really be proven. What we can do is assume that there is something there because of processes that take place on a chemical level. Seeing that science is still very young, what is to say that a god-force will not similarly be discovered, and only be describable in terms of what it affects, rather than what it is? We can only know what we have already discovered, but that doesn't mean we have discovered everything.

Yes, quite wrong.

Actually, I'm not. They are in no way empirically demonstrable.

The Universe.

I'd argue that religion perverted our innate morality (a whole other thread entirely). Also good to know that's not what you meant.

Why call it god though?

But nature doesn't exhibit love. If it does can you provide any examples?

Actually, I'm not. They are in no way empirically demonstrable.

But nature doesn't exhibit love. If it does can you provide any examples?

Pardon?

Please re-read your own posts more carefully.

... god you say is good.

but ok...

Actually, I'm not. They are in no way empirically demonstrable.

I suppose I should clarify. I do believe in electrons. I also believe in an overarching life force, be it mind, love, God, whatever. I know it is there because I can see the effects of it on the rest of the universe, actually the exact same method by which we know electrons are there. That's why it tickled me so much when the poster brought up electrons as an example.

I believe in an overarching life force called Santa Claus. I know it is there because I too can see the effects of him. It looks like our evidence and method of understanding are the same, so who's right? Well, me of course because I know Santa personally. He speaks to me and answers my prayers. Besides, Im less biased too.

I am glad to hear that Santa Claus answers your prayers. I infer that you don't need God then.

Good luck to you!

[I'm a little puzzled, though, why you refer to your personal friend as "an overaching life force."]

LoL, I would avoid being this gullible. Although, perhaps you satire is over my head and I am the one looking foolish. At any rate, may Santa bless you with many presents. :shifty: