The US Dollar And The Stability Of The World Economy

JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown's leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society.

Customers largely skeptical of smart grid investments may be wary of letting utilities see when and how they use the energy they are consuming.... "A lot of people wonder if this is another thing that's going to benefit the utility at the expense of the consumer."

Linear growth isn't possible at all unless the population stops growing exponentially, or increaingly large parts of that population lives in abject poverty. At this point, the system cannot be sustained, let alone grow more. When you hear politicians talking about sustainability, they're talking about population reduction and lower standards of living.

the tremendous increase in global population since World War II has been accompanied by tremendous increases in prosperity and scientific achievement instead of the mass starvation and other disastrous consequences predicted by population controllers

2) the ruling powers are pushing hard for population control, regardless of the facts.

With the failure of the USSR to destroy the West under the stalemated situation of MAD and later collapse of the USSR, an Alliance with Islamofascist Arab racial supremacy was undertaken, the idea being to plunge Western democratic society in to chaos employing Islamofascist Arab racial supremacy contained in a trojan horse of fake multiculturalism, with the end objective of seizing power by declaring State Socialism, (in reality crypto-Stalinist Leninist fascism), to be solution and then killing the Islamofascist Arab racial supremacist leadership in a Night of the Long Knives and imposing draconian measures against the wider Muslim community, to cower them in to submission, for example killing several thousand ordinary innocent Muslims. Unfortunately for the Leftist Fascists, Islamofascist Arab racial supremacists are both more sophisticated and more ruthless, when it comes to double crossing their supposed friends, than the lefties are and it would be the lefties who would be rounded up and shot, not the the Islamofascists.

If i had my way i would select all right wing thinkers and exterminate them and we would kill two birds with one stone.

Come the revolution brother that house on the hill is mine.

Slaving in an arms factory is what you will do come the authoritarian revolution. :a-ok:

No im a commissar in my local revolutionary council.Your cards marked.Like salt on your chips? i hope so for your sake..

Don't be so sure of that. Fascists are known to betray their own.

If i had my way i would select all right wing thinkers and exterminate them and we would kill two birds with one stone.Decrease the population and stop this shameless bigoted propaganda from being spouted as if it was the truth.I have witnessed a lot of debates deteriorate into right wing rhetoric before but this takes first prize.

Why do you think that is, if the facts don't add up for it to be a sound reaction.

That's what authoritarianists always do, right? Create the reason for them to be needed.
To say it in a somewhat simpler quote:
The nations that accepted communism were poor.
We have wealth, therefore we need to first destroy that wealth so we can implement communism.

First, its not just an issue of governments being presented with bad science and, as laymen, evaluating it without enough rigor. As I understand it, there are two prominent theories/models/data sets which suggest global warming, the big kahuna in the environmental movement.

Glad you think so, I'm trying to get my parents to watch it. There's always the possibility that some new and currently unimaginable technology will allow growth to continue, but even that has its problems. Unless something is invented which can power existing cars, homes, factories, etc. with the existing infrastructure, which is meant for fossil fuels (gas stations e.g.), there will have to be a significant period of time available to construct the new infrastructure. There is no such time if we are at 'peak everything' already. As Martenson explains, our economy depends not only on growth, but on massive exponential growth to sustain itself. I think we've reached the point where the obligations we've made are too great to be satisfied, i.e. that the future prosperity that we've effectively borrowed against cannot possibly be as great as we imagine it to be; even if it eventually is, there will be a period of decline during the transition to a new system. In other words, default on the debt with which we've built our modern society is inevitable, except that, rather than default, the government will inflate. The result is the same for the real economy. It's pretty obvious that, having reached the peak, or at least neared the peak of the inflationary system, we are not backing away slowly, but 'putting the pedal to the floor,' as Martenson says. I don't know, call me a pessimist, but I am starting to subscribe to the idea that the industrial revolution and industrial society (~1800-present) is a historical anomaly, and that humanity is destined to return to a simpler way of life, and a much lower population. This wasn't necessarily inevitable though. If we had had a free market and sound money, the massive depletion of resources over the last two centuries could have been invested productively, ensuring future prosperity. Instead, we took the easy route, installed an inflationary monetary system that allowed society to live above its means by borrowing against the future to fund the present, thereby causing an epic misallocation of resources (millions of excess homes, shopping malls, etc.), which ensures that the future prosperity won't be sufficient: a ponzi scheme that collapses in the end.

Dosen't that support out point? ...that the statists (communists, socialists, fascists, theocrats, etc.: left/right is meaningless) are utilitarians and are capable of doing anything, even the most hiedous crimes, in the name of the 'greater good?' And let me say, your later posts express the same thing. You're just itching to sit on the local board of public safety aren't you, and indict all your personal enemies as 'traitors?'

Disgusting. When/if (hopefully when) 'your' revolution fails (not really yours, belongs to the people who you think are your enemies: banks corporations, etc.) there will be another Nuremburg and people who have carried out the things you're reccomending will be tried, found guilty, and shot.

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First, its not just an issue of governments being presented with bad science and, as laymen, evaluating it without enough rigor. As I understand it, there are two prominent theories/models/data sets which suggest global warming, the big kahuna in the environmental movement. Both of the scintists who developed these model are working for and being payed by the government, directly or indirectly. On the other hand, there are literally hundreds of equally if not better qualified and sitinguished scientists not on government payroll who object to thoss models and find no evidence for global warming. Anyway, I think the objective is the same as it is with almost everything the government does: more control. Its easier to contorl a smaller population, and to manipulate it if the government can dictate power, water, food usage, etc. They (the ruling powers in and behind governments) want to manage us like livestock on their private estate. So said many prominent 19th centiry British intellectuals and politicians. There is a great quote saying almost eactly that from Bertrand Russel...or Maltus...or Geroge Bernard Shaw...I don't remember. I'll see if I can find it. (note, those are all, with the exception of Malthus who was too early, members of the Fabian Society, the stated goal of which is to establish, by means of gradualism, a world socialist state)



Exactly. Problem, reaction, solution. For example. It is now pretty well documented that the panic of 1907, which provided the impetus to 'bank reform,' was deliberately generated by the New York banks. Of course, out of the 'bank reform' that was supposed to limit the power of the money trust (the big New York banks), came the Federal Reserve Act, written by the bankers, which turned over the monetary power to a private corporation, the Fed, owned and operated by, you guessed it, those bankers.

Exactly. They loan us the money to buy the stuff they produce. They get to develop from a feudal agricultural society to an industrial society faster than any other nation in history, and we get (temporarily) high standards of living, and no industrial base.

Good questions, which I'm certainly not qualified to answer. That's going to be my next project. However, I would guess that regional power structures like the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (composed of China, Russia, the Central Asian republics, Pakistan, and Iran) will become more important. Unfortunately, both because of the problems there already, and because it seems to confirm the insanity of the 'Armageddon' people, the next great war will probably be in the Middle East. With U.S. power declining and Chinese needs and power increasing, China is going to take bold action to secure its access to important resources, especially oil: hence the alliance with Iran (this is the only reason, IMO, that we haven't attacked Iran). It might be proxy war, like Vietnam, Korea, etc., but it could still have devastating consequences. I worry about Saudi Arabia in a post-American world; our active support is the ONLY thing that keeps that hated, tyrannical regime in place. If it was removed, the people might well elect a government that aligns itself with Iran, and just like that Saudi Arabia's vast oil reserves become in effect Chinese, and there's none for us in the U.S. In Europe, as I said before, Russia already has more influence than the U.S. Obviously that increases when the U.S. has to close bases and reduce military spending. Nations in East Asia that are currently protected by us have the most to worry about obviously. Chin has been pretty aggressive in claiming rights to oil and gas fields, amoung other assets in the South China Sea and elsewhere in the region.

Kevin Rudd | China dominance

In any case, global realignments are inevitably coming and we moving toward spura-national regionalism. I don't think something like Orwell's tripartite system, Oceania, East Asia, and Eurasia are too far off.


I agree. We really won't know when peak was until after it comes and it becomes very obvious that societal complexity is in decline. If not now though, I think it's got to be soon.

I think most politicians do not understand what they are doing. When I first became interested in politics, I had trouble taking the politicians seriously; when they aren't obviously acting as shills for their corporate masters, they can hardly speak in a coherent fashion. They are pretty faces who look good in suits, or pant-suits: that's all.

However, the next question would be, 'do the people really in control, the 'special interests,' know what they are doing?' Yes, they do. And, IMO, they are not acting only in simple self-interest, to make money. As I've been saying throughout my posts here, the elite of the west (especially the bankers) have always been in favor of communism/socialism/fascism/etc. I am quite convinced that the objective of these people, as represented by their various 'charitable' foundations, political clients, and their own memoirs, books and statements in many cases, is to establish a world totalitarian state.

To be more specific, the ruling class would like to create a situation such that they cannot be removed from power, ever, and to increase their power. Again, Orwell comes to mind. What I am talking about is a neo-feudalist system, operated by a perennial oligarchy of the current ruling class. As I said, we will be managed like livestock, and bred or culled like livestock.

This sort of statement would turn most people off from what I'm saying, because it seems so radical, but really, if you think of the last two centuries as an anomaly, it's a return to normality.

Me too :a-ok:. If I'm right about the direction in which we are being pushed, this is THE time to live if you want to make a difference. If the agenda of these people is carried out, there is no reason to believe that they won't suceed in establishing themselves as the permanent ruling class, which we will be unable to ever overthrow.