Shot at what?
We need to define what it is first to decide its are only shot at it.
If you think of it in terms of physics.
There really is no such thing as time. Time is an illusion.
to this logic the whole idea of you having one shot seems silly.
Shot at what?
We need to define what it is first to decide its are only shot at it.
If you think of it in terms of physics.
There really is no such thing as time. Time is an illusion.
to this logic the whole idea of you having one shot seems silly.
A possibility is not a theory, and the possibility of another life when ours is so clearly of this matter and this moment is more of an impossibility... If you were cloned would that be you??? Is it only genes that make you???And what if the clone was robbed of an organ and died to preserve your life??? Did you die to live, or will you like all other live to die??? What we are is consciousness, and that consciousness has grown up with a certain bit of matter, and when that matter dies, consciousness dies, and no amount of chance will reconstruct us no matter how much of chance went into making us... There are no infinite possibilities... All life as we know it will die with the earth, which like ourselves is finite, and like the sun, finite, and like the whole cosmos, finite.. The end...
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Life is only infinite seeming because we cannot, while alive, find the sum of it, and when dead, cannot check it, and in either event cannot assign meaning to it apart from it... But life is finite, and the end is the end is the end... Unless we have children; but they make lousy pets... By the time you get them toilet trained they are ready to hate your guts for twenty years... If you were still filling your britches you might have some reason to hate me, ya rat...Never ever tell them you gave them life... Life sucks and that is why they can't gut you... Just tell them some one left them on the front porch with twenty dollars for pampers, and you just want to collect your due with a live baby to prove you did your worst...
We conceive of ourselves spiritually, and this concept leads to every outrage we experience in life... So rather than state the obvious: that we are life, consciousness based upon matter, let me join with you and say all matter is illusion, and life is not dependent upon matter on absolutly no proof but a muddled self conception that has skewed our view of all reality from the beginning... Sorry I seem negative to you... The spiritual conception of reality is the true negative, and I will not engage in mindless speculaton on the subject...We may be chance, but we should make the best of it, take care of it, and each other...
Im actually interested in this. I do understand in a completely objective and none spiritual reality that we could convince ourselves completely of it actually being subjective and spiritual.
But also. In a subjective reality we would be able to convince ourselves of it being objective and non spiritual. "we have been on the ride for a while and we forget its just a ride. We start thinking the ride is life itself.
Don't you think theres no way we can prove this either way?
2) is there a process of rebirth or repetition in the universe - be it through black holes, a continuous expansion and contraction, etc. - or do we just run through the show once and burn ourselves out? My answer: Yes.
[INDENT]a) if yes to the above: what is this process? My answer: Who knows?
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A possibility is not a theory, and the possibility of another life when ours is so clearly of this matter and this moment is more of an impossibility... If you were cloned would that be you??? Is it only genes that make you???And what if the clone was robbed of an organ and died to preserve your life??? Did you die to live, or will you like all other live to die??? What we are is consciousness, and that consciousness has grown up with a certain bit of matter, and when that matter dies, consciousness dies, and no amount of chance will reconstruct us no matter how much of chance went into making us... There are no infinite possibilities... All life as we know it will die with the earth, which like ourselves is finite, and like the sun, finite, and like the whole cosmos, finite.. The end...
Hello Grimlock. Please forgive me in that I may not understand all you are saying and please feel free to offer that which will help me do so.
As to the above statements and the one immediately prior as you note a "finite" universe. Perhaps it is not finite even on a much broader scale? That is why we assume "repetition" as Nietzsche thought. I do feel death can be interpreted as a "burnout", as it were to "rate" we use in our scientific and mathmetical calculations, and time being finite. What if it is not? How would that change those calculations?
I would argue that life is clearly not of this matter. A person's body shape changes drastically over the course of their life, and, over the course of a few years, every cell in the human body is replaced. Where then does the consciousness lie?
If you wish to argue that life exists as only the result of the natural processes that the universe went through, and has no superphysical quality to it, then, should the process repeat itself, that life MUST repeat. Any attempt to claim otherwise would require you to invoke some non-physical quality to life. I don't mean to say that a clone is the same person as the original, as it was created of different processes. That is a different, yet very similar person. My question to you is: Assuming two universes (A and B) that did the exact same things so that the events that took place unfolded in exactly the same manner, what quality of consciousness would allow for a person in Universe A to not live the life of his replica in universe B?
I view a life not as an object, but more as an event. It is an effect of trillions of chemical and electrical reactions, which include the reaction to all it sees, feels, smells, touches, tastes, thinks, and does. That is why a clone is not the same person. It does not see or do the same things as the same time.
People do better if they consider this their only life, their last chance, and only opportunity...If you know everything you will alway know too much, and only occasionally will you know enough to survive...Those lost in speculaton are doomed...If you live this life as you must, as life demands, with nothing certain, and everything to be made secure, then one life will be more than enough, and when finished, happily done...
Your opinion results from confusing the obvious with the actual...
Grimlock, what do you think of Haramein's "Unifed Field Theory"?
William
Do you feel like providing evidence for this idea? In actuality, all cells in the body are replaced several times over. You still haven't addressed the reasoning behind what I said. I understand that you disagree, but I'd rather you address what I said directly rather than disagree outright and provide reasoning behind why I might adhere to faulty logic.
If you claim consciousness is fully extinguished at death, never to be reincarnated, then I ask that you define consciousness in terms of its substance and origin. Some things happened to create my consciousness. If the same things happen again, why wouldn't it be me? Is there a superphysical quality that could not be recreated?
The way I see it, consciousness is the product of an extremely complex system of electrical interference caused by the arrangement of neurons in the brain. Should that system be recreated, it would result in the same consciousness. Because of all the factors that determine this arrangement, it is not likely to ever repeat within this universe. However, the fact that I'm here to type this to you stands as proof that what happened in this universe so far created my consciousness. Be the actual substance of cosciousness as it may, what do you have that could stand to disrupt the claim that the same causes will provide the same effect? The same causes may never arrive again, but if they did, why would the person created in the second series of events not be me?
Do you feel like providing evidence for this idea? In actuality, all cells in the body are replaced several times over. You still haven't addressed the reasoning behind what I said. I understand that you disagree, but I'd rather you address what I said directly rather than disagree outright and provide reasoning behind why I might adhere to faulty logic.
If you claim consciousness is fully extinguished at death, never to be reincarnated, then I ask that you define consciousness in terms of its substance and origin. Some things happened to create my consciousness. If the same things happen again, why wouldn't it be me? Is there a superphysical quality that could not be recreated?
The way I see it, consciousness is the product of an extremely complex system of electrical interference caused by the arrangement of neurons in the brain. Should that system be recreated, it would result in the same consciousness. Because of all the factors that determine this arrangement, it is not likely to ever repeat within this universe. However, the fact that I'm here to type this to you stands as proof that what happened in this universe so far created my consciousness. Be the actual substance of cosciousness as it may, what do you have that could stand to disrupt the claim that the same causes will provide the same effect? The same causes may never arrive again, but if they did, why would the person created in the second series of events not be me?
The probability that your life would be an identical life as your other self is so absurdly low it enters the realm of impossibility; so does an impossiblity count as proof of your argument in this case...in my humble opinion..no.
