veracity of evolution

Since 1990 life expectancy has increased by around 3 years for men and 1 year for women. Since 1909 it's increased by 25 years for men and 27 years for women.

Yeah, that's all we do in hospitals, trick people to come in so that we can kill them.

Complicated systems have errors,

give us a goddamned break, we're working on it and I'm getting sick of your chafing haughtiness towards my job, my colleagues, and a career in which I actually see people's lives getting better.

Cuba, which only spends a few hundred dollars per capita, has a national life expectancy that approximates the U.S.

No problem. You do your thing and I will do mine. I am quite OK not having been to a hospital or a physician in 30 years. BTW, the same for my son and my ex. We just figured out how to stay healthy

Well, if you are going to take credit for all of the stuff that goes on in hospitals, you are going to have to take credit for all of the stuff.

Yep. That is why I stay away from physicians and hospitals.

No problem. You do your thing and I will do mine.

I am quite OK not having been to a hospital or a physician in 30 years. BTW, the same for my son and my ex. We just figured out how to stay healthy.

Here is what I feel is the scary part associated with what began with Darwinian thought. In those invasions of the human body and that of the animal as we associate those two we added two new terms to those vast tomes of scientific rhetoric; "unfit variants and genetic mutants" as those so brilliant are bought to create the "perfect human" as it seems the one we represent was "flawed" in it's original design? Is this an accurate appraisal? Perhaps not, but it makes sense; to me anyway. But who am "I" to question? Ha! Even I have a difficult time figuring that one out as I think most human beings do.

I feel OK as I am.

Well, it's ignorant to throw problems around like a slogan with blind lack of recognition that error reduction is a major movement in American medical education and research

Will do -- but the difference between me and you is that I'll never be as disrespectful, haughty, or demeaning towards your belief or practices as you constantly are to mine

Hey, that's great. Want me to tell you about the 21 year old college student in septic shock again? Or would you just ignore it one more time? Either way, consider how things might have turned out for her if her dad were "quite OK" not taking her to the hospital.

I can understand your concern with science though. Science is a very powerful tool, and can lead to discoveries that could be used for good things as well as bad things, as history has proven. I think one big problem is that many scientists are so motivated to come up with the next great discovery, that they fail to consider whether or not the discovery will help or hurt humanity. A nobel prize and a nice patent and large contract for whatever the new technology is seems to be the main (or sole) motivator, most of the time.

You guys just don't want to give up. Why don't you just try to fix someone else up? I feel OK as I am.

Sorry, but you're wrong. Theory has a specific meaning in science that is different than the colloquial use you mention.
Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lol edit. dig up the mortality statistics, just listen to that cackling homunculus with an axe buried deep in you that says "DO IT! DO IT!" whenever Satan gives you a brilliant idea

I've got news for you...at some point, someone in your family will develop a serious health problem that will require treatment at a hospital, and I'm betting you will go running to one when that time comes.

I fully understand what "science" espouses as to what "theory" means

I just disagree as I do with many of their opinions and their proclaimed reasons as I will again say you can never believe all you see if those inspections are the results of 'invasion'. I explained that too.

I think I'm supposed to set a good example or something here :flowers:

nobody at the top is in it for the money

people who are in it for the money just barely eke out a bachelor's degree in their field and try to booze and party their way through life. they succeed, more or less, and never amount to anything

The people who invest in the research are certainly in it for the money

The scientists themselves though I'd say are mostly in it for the fame, glory, and pure excitement of the whole thing

to complete their goal. You should read the memoirs written by the physicists and engineers who worked on the atom bomb; for pretty much all of them, they never considered the ramifications of such a device until it was finally completed. Until that point, they just wanted to finish the project they had been given and get the acclaim and satisfaction that goes with that. Then once they saw the bomb go off, you have Oppenheimer's famous quoting of the Bhagavad-Gita, Feynman's noted existential crisis, among other similar experiences, that went along with the realization of what they had created.

Appreciate the warning. Now, can we get on with the subject.

And next time, before you become so indignant and so huffy and puffy, please check out the thread, and check out who keeps on bringing up my health style.

Isaac Newton
Karl Wilhelm Scheele
Nikola Tesla
Rachel CarsonCarl Sagan
Robert Bakker

cool hasty generalization bro

You don't think any of these people were somewhat motivated by the desire for fame?

Or at the very least because they were simply excited about the things they studied?

Just giving my opinion, which has been somewhat verified by first-hand accounts I've read, and the fact that many science has been put to bad use as soon as possible after it was discovered

check out who keeps on bringing up my health style

I haven't had to go to the doctor in 27 years, nor has my wife, nor has my son.

I have no need for pills or such. Haven't had one since I was 20 - over 37 years ago.

. I am quite OK not having been to a hospital or a physician in 30 years. BTW, the same for my son and my ex. We just figured out how to stay healthy.

I am a very healthy 58 year old, by ignoring advice such as yours for three decades.

I have been able to keep myself plenty healthy for 28 years without using any drugs, without going to any physician...BTW, the same goes for my son and my ex, so it is not a matter of luck.

Something to investigate. I have been doing that for 30 years, and have discovered lots of interesting things to keep me healthy. But that is just my gig.

I will not get sick and someone else will. It is because I have a healthy body.

For me, it has kept be healthy for the last 30 years. No pharmaceuticals and no doctor visits. However, I do practice yoga and Tai Chi, as well as eat well and do self massage (Chinese Tuina), to improve my energy (qi), blood (yin) and breathing (prana). It is a simple matter of knowledge of simple concepts.

I came to the exact same conclusions as these scientific studies are now concluding, on my own, just by observing, over 30 years ago. How to live a healthy life has been known for over 2500 years

I've checked out enough of the last couple pages of this thread to know that you're the one getting huffy and puffy and indignant. :sarcastic:

If you want to take a philosophical stand against the possibly flawed basis of all science, that would at least be more reasonable, though it's quite impractical.

I knew you wouldn't give a straight answer

But I'll rephrase the question

"Under circumstances which would incur a high probability of contracting HIV, do you think a jump rope would protect you?"

So what would you tell the parents of a child who has succumbed to some form of disease? That their child did not get enough exercise and had Qi/Chi stagnation?

well let's say, hypothetically, that rich gives himself a bunch of knicks with a pocket knife and he starts jumping rope and I stand by in a hazmat suit flicking fresh HIV-infected blood at him with a paintbrush

other things being equal, will the jump rope really help him?

Since 1990 life expectancy has increased by around 3 years for men and 1 year for women. Since 1909 it's increased by 25 years for men and 27 years for women. Infant mortality has dropped by 90% in the last century. The annual mortality of measles has dropped by millions since the vaccine was introduced in the early 1960s. In the last decade it's dropped by nearly a million measles deaths per year in African children alone.

Yeah, that's all we do in hospitals, trick people to come in so that we can kill them. Oh, by the way, I admitted a 21 year old girl to the hospital two days ago who was in septic shock from a kidney infection, and would have been dead within a couple days if not for my interventions. And she's an athlete, so you can't blame the lack of jump-roping.

Complicated systems have errors, and we see that constantly in medicine, in economic stewardship, in airlines, in product safety, in computer safety, etc. We're trying to make it better. In our hospital we have computerized documentation and computerized physician order entry, which has greatly reduced dosing errors and illegibility problems. The ACGME has mandated more humane work hours for residents, so that they are not working while exhausted. We're trying to make it better.

So give us a goddamned break, we're working on it and I'm getting sick of your chafing haughtiness towards my job, my colleagues, and a career in which I actually see people's lives getting better.

ok, so if I were flicking HIV-infected blood at rich's open cuts and he were using a jump rope would it save him

ok but they're basically a Western country and they use Western medicine

Hmm, you spend a lot of time trying to bring other people down for someone who feels OK.

Aedes why are you even entertaining this line of attack

he's using the US healthcare system which is pretty flawed by post-industrial standards (which is not to say you are a terrible doctor) as a strawman for all Western medicine
it's like saying "Nickelback sucks, therefore all rock bands suck"

lol edit. dig up the mortality statistics, just listen to that cackling homunculus with an axe buried deep in you that says "DO IT! DO IT!" whenever Satan gives you a brilliant idea

her yin had stagnated

Good for you, but the purpose of this thread is not to discuss your personal health habits.


It's not that big of a deal that you're criticizing doctors and health care; sure, they have plenty of problems that need to be worked out.