Artificial brain 'ten years away'

Fortunately I was able to find this

Blue Brain Power: Modeling the brain with a supercomputer
[INDENT]Peck says that a model of multiple NCCs is still far from a model of the whole brain. "Once we have modeled the neocortex, we will have to include models of other brain regions, such as the basal ganglia, hippocampus, cerebellum and so on," he explains.[/INDENT]

Oden, IMO, the above statement could only come from a very intelligent person who has no idea of what "emotion" is, IMO. Without emotion we are no longer human. Of course an "intelligent person of enourmous ego" would consider that statement absurd for there is nothing, in their mind, they have never had an idea of; and what they "call emotions", are not.

Consider the television series "HOUSE", for instance. Here we have a doctor who is unquestionably more brilliant than anyone he comes into contact with, who has become emotionally detached from all those "emotional" creatures around him. Those around him stand in awe of his brilliance, but emotionally, hate his guts in that the most important emotion there is, "happiness", is totally alien to him. He lives a very lonely existence and thanks to medication only, is able to continue from one day to the next, but in his particular case, unlike other intelligent egotists, he is aware of his dilemma but is helpless to do anything about it for he can't even 'fake' a smile. There is no one he can look up to for guidance for he is at the top of his profession and the only way to go is down and I am sure he would be the ideal applicant for a "brain transplant" if it could provide the happiness he lacks. In a heart beat.

That is the 'sticky' surrounding this research, IMO, in that those who are behind it are desperately seeking a cure for something that the ego of intellect will not accept for ignorance is "moronic" and intellect is everything anyone could ask for, from, their point of view. How so very sad that is from my point of view.

When I hear the phrase, "If you weren't so emotional", it makes my heart grow cold to imagine anyone even making such a statement or "don't let your emotions interfere with your judgement"! I would not give my innate emotions up for the bluest brain you could ever conceive for it is that emotion that makes me human and for anyone who thinks they can duplicate those human emotions is egotistical nonsense, IMO. To that degree, I am so very thankful to be blissfully "ignorant". :detective:

William

Stop the ad hominem. First warning, last warning.



Yeah, just shoot from the hip. Don't plan ahead, don't think things through. It always works. It never brings bad things to you.



Thought is electrical activity, and so is emotion.

They're not that different.

If you can do one, you can do the other.



It shows.

Thank you. :a-ok: Oh, and by the way, great clip?

William

Great clip indeed

But, seriously, I am so sick of willful, proud ignorance. Reason isn't just some "add-on" we can do without: it's the only thing that distinguishes us from s**t-flinging apes. Ignorance just ... disgusts me. Something needs to be done about it and I hope to be part of the solution one day.

I think that the fundamental problem of physically reverse engineering the brain is that human level consciousness still has not been studied enough to know how it might emerge from physical phenomena.

It all comes down to dissolving the (apparent) line between the subjective aspects of the mind and the objective aspects of the brain, and accepting the result if it is far less mystical than most people might be comfortable with. Of course if the line between the objective aspects of the brain and (seemingly) subjective aspects of the mind is persistent.

It seems that the inability to dissolve this barrier only really impedes the Immortalist prerogative, which I find to be a little foolhardy anyway.

Well based on everything we know from multiple disciplines of science, consciousness is an emergent property of physical interactions. How so? It is kind of strange. Actually, no, it is very strange. Some aspects will most likely remain unexplained for years to come. However this theory is increasingly borne out by experiments we are able to do now, like Blue Brain, and rat neurons on an electrode array, and how brain states can be seen to correspond to mental states with fMRI, etc.

Think I'm gonna bow out after this post (or one more after... )...

Odens, I just want to explain my position... I am fully in support of science and what some might term as a strong materialist standpoint, I have studied or been taught everything you talk about to varying degrees, so when I criticised the BBP I was just expressing a thought that might be interesting to debate.. this is a Philosophy forum after all!

You quoted the BBP FAQs, and I agree that in the process of creating the BB it will most likely reveal new principles of the mind, and I think that, despite the analogy I put forward before, there is value in copying, doing, something ourselves. I just thought, since this is a recent subject of interest for me, we might debate the scientific process and, in the case of the mind, what constitutes (more or less) productive avenues of research. In putting forward such an extreme POV I was, in part, playing devil's advocate.

Oh yeah bro don't be ashamed, trolling is fun

There doesn't seem to be much to discuss here, either its bioludites arguing from moot moral standpoints or even more mystical positions or its: Yes, I agree, but lets stay on topic in the most rigid way imaginable so as to avoid conducing any conversation that might be interesting.


Wikipedia(Troll(internet):In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or collaborative content community with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.[2]

I don't see how the aforementioned subjects fulfill the ill intent parameter.
Discussion of the scientific method as it relates to the Philosophy of Mind seems pretty reasonable.

But being abrasive is fun

It's like Internet bumper cars

For you maybe...............

I don't remember ever out and out insulting anyone here, ever

The closest I came to doing so was posting a picture of a teen smoking from a Nintendo controller bong, suggesting that some users may have been under similar influences when they posted

I think different you insult people quite alot.

It's difficult not to replay abrasively to "no u" posts

Yes it is but there are ways.

How would you respond to someone doing nothing but playing games with words and basically saying "no u" in every post

It's hard to tell how to respond exactly without really seeing the posts that you're talkiing about, every response is different but i would go along the lines of ignoring it or addressing the rudeness the right way but dont be dragged down to their level whatever you do.

well, not to put too fine a point upon it, but I specifically had richrf's posts in minds. His cutesy word games deeply irritate me

Yes I saw, dont be drawn into it in the first place. I got to go, continue later if you like:)