Is Thought the Actual Force Behind Creation

"In the beginning was the word (logos)" Before Abraham was, I am (logos).
Logos is the rational prinicple of nature and reality, the basis or order and reason (for the Greeks) God. The Force behind creation and the imposition of order on chaos and the formless void.

Its not exactly the same. If you looked into a mirror and you saw no reflection, it might give you a clue. I believe I see footprints but till I see the creature that made them I have to accept the only logical conclusion.

Superstition is the confusion of the transcendental with the incidental. "God" is within man, as the Form of his perception. If there is another kind of God, I don't see how s/he can be proven or disproven or even understood beyond the limits of the human Form of perception.

This is just my opinion of course.

Which is what? Do you mean that until you see the creature that made the footprints you will assume there is no such creature at all?

I am not suggesting that we define the creature, just that we acknowledge that there are footprints, and that they were made by something intelligent because the footprints we are seeing are sign of intelligence. You seem to want to ignore anything that remains a mystery even when you have evidence that the mystery is there somewhere. That is your option and choice. But don't delude yourself into believing that there is no origin just because you choose to ignore it for lack of identification.

Have you ever seen a quark or an electron? I will bet a month's wages that you would not look at this the same way with regard to those mysteries.

Another kind of God????when did mankind ever prove one kind in particular?

I would have to disagree with you that whatever the cause for existence is, is some perception of mankind. Mankind has nothing to do with the existence of the origin of existence except that we seem to be endowed with some degree of its intelligence.

Many of you may be familiar with some of the teachings that suggest that it is the collective and individual combinations of the thought process of the human being that creates the existence around us.

in essence we are our own gods according to this teaching, in variations of course.

I would like to discuss this further using my take on the subject as a teaser for a more indepth look.

I admit to leaning toward some sort of reincarnation of the soul, but my definitions of what soul is, and what reincarnation is remains a far cry from the normal teachings of most of the mainstream religions. So when I say reincarnation of the soul you will have to bear with me and read a little further to understand what I actually mean.

I am considering this possibility as credible and warranting of more study.

Lets admit that we do not know the true source of creation, and just for the sake of discussing what it might be we will call it "The Origin".

Now, The Origin, or the TO, has begun what we know exists as we reside here within it. Let's suggest that the TO thought it all up and it became reality. Existence is the first thought of the TO becoming reality.

Now this thought evolves as it expands into development and becomes existence, the universe which is now being continuously expanded upon by the further thoughts of the TO.

At some point the TO thinks to create life and this life that it creates it endows with similarities to its own conscious ability and cognizance simply for the sake of entertaining what it is and seeing it act out in a simpler form. Basically watching a reflection of itself.

So we become the thoughts of the TO come to life and are endowed with the ability to apply thought ourselves. We become conscious of our own thought processing abilities and therefore curious about our realities.


Now I will not stray from here into the creative aspects that others teach regarding us being our own gods, but I will suggest that, as the TO thought us into existence, we also now are able to use that force that was instilled into us to at least take a part in this existence in a way that is very unique to every other living thing that was created.

I like to imagine that the TO has devised a force or energy that is the essence behind the building block of life that is instilled into every human being, that is quite different from the animal kingdom in that we are a reflection of the TO, and can use this thought creative ability to evolve ourselves into more powerful thinking capabilities.

I suppose that every human is born with this life giving force that becomes his or her identity/consciousness which has been passed on from previous incarnations and continues to be passed on to new incarnations. The individual identity of each incarnation may change at birth, but the knowledge/ wisdom gained and evolved throughout these various lives is passed on as an evolving ability/skill that each new incarnation can tune into at some point of its development and add to/enhance during its lifetime.

So the TO begins the whole process by thought creation, enables its creation through us to mimic its ability, and all of creation evolves as we evolve.

Your view is literally just as plausible as any other set forth by anyone.

what i think is important to this is i believe i and everyone with the same general experience as me has been dead and knows what its like. We where all dead before we where born as it seams to me.

second think of this. time travel exists and you go back into the past and get yourself and repeat till your standing around with 5 of yourself. Are you them? lets suppose you kill yourself(forget the paradox for this thought experiment) as in the one to first travel back. the one whos body you are in. do you get any peace of mind knowing the other yous are still there? or are you just as dead as anyone to die in a conventional way?