Is there a crime that would make the death penalty justifiable?

More evidence of the social form... Is it accepted...I don't know; is their real consensus???Think of such societies that were ruled by dynasts of great men in great houses...If they wanted some one dead they were dead one way or the other and the people did not say boo...Such societies are so numerous because they did not endure...They accepted the deaths of others because they could not protect themselves, but that is not the same as acceptance...There is a sizable minority of people against capital punishment, who are right, because among other things it brutalizes a process that should be civilized... We can lock people... We can afford to lock people up that the past could not, and it is not justice, but no one has blood on their hands... So acceptance would be fine if not forced, or pro forma

More evidence of the social form... Is it accepted...I don't know; is their real consensus???Think of such societies that were ruled by dynasts of great men in great houses...If they wanted some one dead they were dead one way or the other and the people did not say boo...Such societies are so numerous because they did not endure...They accepted the deaths of others because they could not protect themselves, but that is not the same as acceptance...There is a sizable minority of people against capital punishment, who are right, because among other things it brutalizes a process that should be civilized... We can lock people... We can afford to lock people up that the past could not, and it is not justice, but no one has blood on their hands... So acceptance would be fine if not forced, or pro forma

More evidence of the social form... Is it accepted...I don't know; is their real consensus???Think of such societies that were ruled by dynasts of great men in great houses...If they wanted some one dead they were dead one way or the other and the people did not say boo...Such societies are so numerous because they did not endure...They accepted the deaths of others because they could not protect themselves, but that is not the same as acceptance...There is a sizable minority of people against capital punishment, who are right, because among other things it brutalizes a process that should be civilized... We can lock people... We can afford to lock people up that the past could not, and it is not justice, but no one has blood on their hands... So acceptance would be fine if not forced, or pro forma

I agree immensely with you. To the best of my knowledge, the most long lasting dynasty was Ancient Egypt. Sadly, the problem with dynasties are that the people had to do what they were told 100% of the time. Here in USA, we have the freedom of speech and all that. So we are allowed to make questionable judgments about the government without having it called treason. And we have to give the judges and government more credit; it is a very hard and objectional process of sentencing someone.

So if the cost of keeping a prisoner is too expensive you with your moral logic would dispose of him? For you its not the crime but the expense, how strange.

Whose judgement do you trust???

... I would like to judge myself, but I would hardly call that fair... The only thing that would save me from a noose is extenuating circumstances...I have always been an intelligent idiot...Either I was dropped on my head, or I was born this way...

I was a vegetarian a while ago. I was a vegetarian that hoped my efforts would stop the killing of animals. Sadly, it doesn't. Not eating the chickens won't stop the chickens from dying. There will always be consumers, that's just the way it works.
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I dont trust mans, did I not say that? How many times have convicted criminals been freed on new evidence?

One can never trust ones self fully, nor the judgement of others, and yet there is no third alternative...

I have mused long and hard about the effectiveness of the death penalty and if there were crimes that would really justify it as revenge.

1) What about the "rape of babies" that have happened frequently here in South Africa where these depraved monsters think they can cure themselves of aids by doing this unspeakable act?. There is no capital punishment in South Africa so these beasts are usually out in the community again after a spell of ten years or so in prison, where they have enjoyed cooked meals and television and many other comforts of home

What does the forum think?

There is no other alternative, thats why at the conclusion capital punishment is wrong because the finality of it gives no allowance for error. I'm still like Alan though, willing to cut a child murderers bits off and hang him slowly. But then Im not the law.

I have mused long and hard about the effectiveness of the death penalty and if there were crimes that would really justify it as revenge.

1) What about the "rape of babies" that have happened frequently here in South Africa where these depraved monsters think they can cure themselves of aids by doing this unspeakable act?. There is no capital punishment in South Africa so these beasts are usually out in the community again after a spell of ten years or so in prison, where they have enjoyed cooked meals and television and many other comforts of home

What does the forum think?

The concern about executing an innocent person should be taken very seriously,

but it's not an argument against the death penalty in principle, and it doesn't apply to all cases. If the concern is that innocent people will be put to death, the death penalty can be reserved for cases in which a person's guilt is incontrovertible (e.g., where the crime has been captured on film or in photos, where a person commits the crime in public and is caught red-handed, etc.).

The concern about executing an innocent person should be taken very seriously, but it's not an argument against the death penalty in principle, and it doesn't apply to all cases. If the concern is that innocent people will be put to death, the death penalty can be reserved for cases in which a person's guilt is incontrovertible (e.g., where the crime has been captured on film or in photos, where a person commits the crime in public and is caught red-handed, etc.).

:sarcastic: I just do not see how a sentence of 150 years differs from a direct death-penalty.
In certain cases I am in favour of the Death-penanlty; there should be appeal possible by an Supra-national court to avoid biased punishment.
I case of terrorisme it"s not retailliantion on family & neighbours like Isreal does. And the Palistinians shot at random; also hitting civilian targets.

I am still in favour of the UN. Send 30.000 soldiers to the west-bank, make Yerusalem a Peace Centre under UN rule. Make Temple-berg symbol of tollerance ofmicro religions. There are all-ready more than one religion sharing the Old Xristian Churches.


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