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Death Experience of Mellen-Thomas Benedict

 
 
Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2009 09:27 pm
Mellen-Thomas Benedict - near-death experiences

The Light of God
I remember waking up one morning at home about 4:30 am, and I just knew that this was it. This was the day I was going to die. So I called a few friends and said goodbye. I woke up my hospice caretaker and told her. I had a private agreement with her that she would leave my dead body alone for six hours, since I had read that all kinds of interesting things happen when you die. I went back to sleep. The next thing I remember is the beginning of a typical near-death experience. Suddenly I was fully aware and I was standing up, but my body was in the bed. There was this darkness around me. Being out of my body was even more vivid than ordinary experience. It was so vivid that I could see every room in the house, I could see the top of the house, I could see around the house, I could see under the house.

There was this light shining. I turned toward the light. The light was very similar to what many other people have described in their near-death experiences. It was so magnificent. It is tangible; you can feel it. It is alluring; you want to go to it like you would want to go to your ideal mother's or father's arms.

As I began to move toward the light, I knew intuitively that if I went to the light, I would be dead.

So as I was moving toward the light I said, "Please wait a minute, just hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I go."

To my surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are indeed in control of your near-death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride. So my request was honored and I had some conversations with the light. The light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs.

I asked the light, "What is going on here? Please, light, clarify yourself for me. I really want to know the reality of the situation."
I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy. The light responded. The information transferred to me was that your beliefs shape the kind of feedback you are getting before the light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a chance to look at it and examine it, but most people do not.

As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a mandala of human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us is a matrix. It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a direct experience from the Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an oversoul part of our being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I can really describe it is that the being of the Higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that each and every one of us has. We are directly connected to the Source.

So the light was showing me the Higher Self matrix. And it became very clear to me that all the Higher Selves are connected as one being, all humans are connected as one being, we are actually the same being, different aspects of the same being. It was not committed to one particular religion. So that is what was being fed back to me. And I saw this mandala of human souls. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I just went into it and, it was just overwhelming. It was like all the love you've every wanted, and it was the kind of love that cures, heals, regenerates.

As I asked the light to keep explaining, I understood what the Higher Self matrix is. We have a grid around the planet where all the Higher Selves are connected. This is like a great company, a next subtle level of energy around us, the spirit level, you might say.
Then, after a couple of minutes, I asked for more clarification. I really wanted to know what the universe is about, and I was ready to go at that time.
I said, "I am ready, take me."

Then the light turned into the most beautiful thing that I have ever seen: a mandala of human souls on this planet.

Now I came to this with my negative view of what has happened on the planet. So as I asked the light to keep clarifying for me, I saw in this magnificent mandala how beautiful we all are in our essence, our core. We are the most beautiful creations. The human soul, the human matrix that we all make together is absolutely fantastic, elegant, exotic, everything. I just cannot say enough about how it changed my opinion of human beings in that instant.

I said, "Oh, God, I did not know how beautiful we are."
At any level, high or low, in whatever shape you are in, you are the most beautiful creation, you are.

I was astonished to find that there was no evil in any soul.
I said, "How can this be?"

The answer was that no soul was inherently evil. The terrible things that happened to people might make them do evil things, but their souls were not evil. What all people seek, what sustains them, is love, the light told me. What distorts people is a lack of love.

The revelations coming from the light seemed to go on and on, then I asked the light, "Does this mean that humankind will be saved?"
Then, like a trumpet blast with a shower of spiraling lights, the Great Light spoke, saying, "Remember this and never forget; you save, redeem and heal yourself. You always have. You always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the beginning of the world."

In that instant I realized even more. I realized that WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAVED, and we saved ourselves because we were designed to self-correct like the rest of God's universe. This is what the second coming is about.

I thanked the light of God with all my heart. The best thing I could come up with was these simple words of totally appreciation:
"Oh dear God, dear Universe, dear Great Self, I love my life."

The light seemed to breathe me in even more deeply. It was as if the light was completely absorbing me. The love light is, to this day, indescribable. I entered into another realm, more profound than the last, and became aware of something more, much more. It was an enormous stream of light, vast and full, deep in the heart of life. I asked what this was.
The light responded, "This is the RIVER OF LIFE. Drink of this manna water to your heart's content."

So I did. I took one big drink and then another. To drink of life Itself! I was in ecstasy.
Then the light said, "You have a desire."
The light knew all about me, everything past, present and future.
"Yes!" I whispered.

I asked to see the rest of the universe; beyond our solar system, beyond all human illusion. The light then told me that I could go with the Stream. I did, and was carried through the light at the end of the tunnel. I felt and heard a series of very soft sonic booms. What a rush!

Suddenly I seemed to be rocketing away from the planet on this stream of life. I saw the earth fly away. The solar system, in all its splendor, whizzed by and disappeared. At faster than light speed, I flew through the center of the galaxy, absorbing more knowledge as I went. I learned that this galaxy, and all of the universe, is bursting with many different varieties of LIFE. I saw many worlds. The good news is that we are not alone in this universe!

As I rode this stream of consciousness through the center of the galaxy, the stream was expanding in awesome fractal waves of energy. The super clusters of galaxies with all their ancient wisdom flew by. At first I thought I was going somewhere; actually traveling. But then I realized that, as the stream was expanding, my own consciousness was also expanding to take in everything in the universe! All creation passed by me. It was an unimaginable wonder! I truly was a wonder child; a babe in Wonderland!

It seemed as if all the creations in the universe soared by me and vanished in a speck of light. Almost immediately, a second light appeared. It came from all sides, and was so different; a light made up of more than every frequency in the universe.
I felt and heard several velvety sonic booms again. My consciousness, or being, was expanding to interface with the entire holographic universe and more.

As I passed into the second light, the awareness came to me that I had just transcended the truth. Those are the best words I have for it, but I will try to explain.

As
I passed into the second light, I expanded beyond the first light. I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond infinity. I was in the void. I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time - the first word - the first vibration. I was in the eye of creation. I felt as if I was touching the face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with absolute life and consciousness.

When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That's a mind-expanding thought, isn't it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event which created the universe. I saw that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by supercomputers using fractal geometry equations.

The ancients knew of this. They said Godhead periodically created new universes by breathing out, and de-creating other universes by breathing in. These epochs were called yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or yugas creating and de-creating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.

It took me years after I returned to assimilate any words at all for the void experience. I can tell you this now; the void is less than nothing, yet more than everything that is! The void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is absolute consciousness; much more than even universal intelligence.

Where is the void? I know. The void is inside and outside everything. You, right now even while you live, are always inside and outside the void simultaneously. You don't have to go anywhere or die to get there. The void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components. Modern science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it zero-point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately. There is more of the zero space in your own body and the universe than anything else!

What mystics call the void is not a void. It is so full of energy, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we are. Everything since the Big Bang is vibration, from the first word, which is the first vibration.

The Biblical "I am" really has a question mark after it.
"I am? What am I?"

So creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable, in an ongoing, infinite exploration through every one of us. Through every piece of hair on your head, through every leaf on every tree, through every atom, God is exploring God's Self, the great "I am". I began to see that everything that is, is the Self, literally, your Self, my Self. Everything is the great Self. That is why God knows even when a leaf falls. That is possible because wherever you are is the center of the universe. Wherever any atom is, that is the center of the universe. There is God in that, and God in the void.

As I was exploring the void and all the yugas or creations, I was completely out of time and space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about absolute pure consciousness, or God, coming into the experience of life as we know it.

The void itself is devoid of experience. It is pre-life, before the first vibration. Godhead is about more than life and death. Therefore there is even more than life and death to experience in the universe!

I was in the void and I was aware of everything that had ever been created. It was like I was looking out of God's eyes. I had become God. Suddenly I wasn't me anymore. The only thing I can say, I was looking out of God's eyes. And suddenly I knew why every atom was, and I could see everything.

The interesting point was that I went into the void, I came back with this understanding that God is not there. God is here. That's what it is all about. So this constant search of the human race to go out and find God ... God gave everything to us, everything is here - this is where it's at. And what we are into now is God's exploration of God through us. People are so busy trying to become God that they ought to realize that we are already God and God is becoming us. That's what it is really about.

When I realized this, I was finished with the void, and wanted to return to this creation, or yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do.

Then I suddenly came back through the second light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The superclusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a black hole? We are; our galaxy; which has been reprocessed from another universe.

In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub-atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the light of God; everything is very intelligent.

The Light of Love
As I rode the stream on and on, I could eventually see a huge light coming. I knew it was the first light; the Higher Self light matrix of our solar system. Then the entire solar system appeared in the light, accompanied by one of those velvet booms.
I saw that the solar system we live in is our larger, local body. This is our local body and we are much bigger than we imagine. I saw that the solar system is our body. I am a part of this, and the earth is this great created being that we are, and we are the part of it that knows that it is. But we are only that part of it. We are not everything, but we are that part of it that knows that it is.

I could see all the energy that this solar system generates, and it is an incredible light show! I could hear the music of the spheres. Our solar system, as do all celestial bodies, generates a unique matrix of light, sound and vibratory energies. Advanced civilizations from other star systems can spot life as we know it in the universe by the vibratory or energy matrix imprint. It is child's play. The earth's wonder child (human beings) make an abundance of sound right now, like children playing in the backyard of the universe.

I rode the stream directly into the center of the light. I felt embraced by the light as it took me in with its breath again, followed by another soft sonic boom.
I was in this great light of love with the stream of life flowing through me. I have to say again, it is the most loving, non-judgmental light. It is the ideal parent for this wonder child.

"What now?" I wondered.
The light explained to me that there is no death; we are immortal beings. We have already been alive forever! I realized that we are part of a natural living system that recycles itself endlessly. I was never told that I had to come back. I just knew that I would. It was only natural, from what I had seen.

I don't know how long I was with the light, in human time. But there came a moment when I realized that all my questions had been answered and my return was near. When I say that all my questions were answered on the other side, I mean to say just that. All my questions have been answered.

Every human has a different life and set of questions to explore. Some of our questions are universal, but each of us is exploring this thing we call life in our own unique way. So is every other form of life, from mountains to every leaf on every tree.
And that is very important to the rest of us in this universe. Because it all contributes to the Big Picture, the fullness of life. We are literally God exploring God's Self in an infinite Dance of Life. Your uniqueness enhances all of life.

His Return to Earth
As I began my return to the life cycle, it never crossed my mind, nor was I told, that I would return to the same body. It just did not matter. I had complete trust in the light and the life process. As the stream merged with the great light, I asked never to forget the revelations and the feelings of what I had learned on the other side.

There was a "Yes." It felt like a kiss to my soul.
Then I was taken back through the light into the vibratory realm again. The whole process reversed, with even more information being given to me. I came back home, and I was given lessons on the mechanics of reincarnation. I was given answers to all those little questions I had:

"How does this work? How does that work?" I knew that I would be reincarnated.
The earth is a great processor of energy, and individual consciousness evolves out of that into each one of us. I thought of myself as a human for the first time, and I was happy to be that. From what I have seen, I would be happy to be an atom in this universe. An atom. So to be the human part of God ... this is the most fantastic blessing. It is a blessing beyond our wildest estimation of what blessing can be. For each and every one of us to be the human part of this experience is awesome, and magnificent. Each and every one of us, no matter where we are, screwed up or not, is a blessing to the planet, right where we are.

So I went through the reincarnation process expecting to be a baby somewhere. But I was given a lesson on how individual identity and consciousness evolve. So I reincarnated back into this body.

I was so surprised when I opened my eyes. I do not know why, because I understood it, but it was still such a surprise to be back in this body, back in my room with someone looking over me crying her eyes out. It was my hospice caretaker. She had given up an hour and a half after finding me dead. She was sure I was dead; all the signs of death were there - I was getting stiff. We do not know how long I was dead, but we do know that it was an hour and a half since I was found. She honored my wish to have my newly dead body left alone for a few hours as much as she could. We had an amplified stethoscope and many ways of checking out the vital functions of the body to see what was happening. She can verify that I really was dead.

It was not a near-death experience. I experienced death itself for at least an hour and a half. She found me dead and checked the stethoscope, blood pressure and heart rate monitor for an hour and a half. Then I awakened and saw the light outside. I tried to get up to go to it, but I fell out of the bed. She heard a loud "clunk", ran in and found me on the floor.

When I recovered, I was very surprised and yet very awed about what had happened to me. At first all the memory of the trip that I have now was not there. I kept slipping out of this world and kept asking, "Am I alive?" This world seemed more like a dream than that one.

Within three days, I was feeling normal again, clearer, yet different than I had ever felt in my life. My memory of the journey came back later. I could see nothing wrong with any human being I had ever seen. Before that I was really judgmental. I thought a lot of people were really screwed up, in fact I thought that everybody was screwed up but me. But I got clear on all that.

About three months later a friend said I should get tested, so I went and got the scans and so forth. I really felt good, so I was afraid of getting bad news.
I remember the doctor at the clinic looking at the before and after scans, saying, "Well, there is nothing here now."

I said, "Really, it must be a miracle?"
He said, "No, these things happen, they are called spontaneous remission."
He acted very unimpressed. But here was a miracle, and I was impressed, even if no one else was.

The Lessons He Learned
The mystery of life has very little to do with intelligence. The universe is not an intellectual process at all. The intellect is helpful; it is brilliant, but right now that is all we process with, instead of our hearts and the wiser part of ourselves.
The center of the earth is this great transmuter of energy, just as you see in pictures of our earth's magnetic field. That's our cycle, pulling reincarnated souls back in and through it again.

A sign that you are reaching human level is that you are beginning to evolve an individual consciousness. The animals have a group soul, and they reincarnate in group souls. A deer is pretty much going to be a deer forever. But just being born a human, whether deformed or genius, shows that you are on the path to developing an individual consciousness. That is in itself part of the group consciousness called humanity.

I saw that races are personality clusters. Nations like France, Germany and China each have their own personality.

Cities have personalities, their local group souls that attract certain people. Families have group souls. Individual identity is evolving like branches of a fractal; the group soul explores in our individuality. The different questions that each of us has are very, very important. This is how Godhead is exploring God's Self - through you. So ask your questions, do your searching. You will find your Self and you will find God in that Self, because it is only the Self.

More than that, I began to see that each one of us humans are soul mates. We are part of the same soul fractaling out in many creative directions, but still the same. Now I look at every human being that I ever see, and I see a soul mate, my soul mate, the one I have always been looking for. Beyond that, the greatest soul mate that you will ever have is yourself. We are each both male and female. We experience this in the womb and we experience this in reincarnation states. If you are looking for that ultimate soul mate outside of yourself, you may never find it; it is not there. Just as God is not "there." God is here. Don't look "out there" for God. Look here for God. Look through your Self. Start having the greatest love affair you ever had ... with your Self. You will love everything out of that.

I had a descent into what you might call hell, and it was very surprising. I did not see Satan or evil. My descent into hell was a descent into each person's customized human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not-knowing. It seemed like a miserable eternity. But each of the millions of souls around me had a little star of light always available. But no one seemed to pay attention to it. They were so consumed with their own grief, trauma and misery. But, after what seemed an eternity, I started calling out to that light, like a child calling to a parent for help. Then the light opened up and formed a tunnel that came right to me an insulated me from all that fear and pain. That is what hell really is.

So what we are doing is learning to hold hands, to come together. The doors of hell are open now. We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of hell together.
The light came to me and turned into a huge golden angel. I said, "Are you the angel of death?"

It expressed to me that it was my oversoul, my Higher Self matrix, a super-ancient part of ourselves. Then I was taken to the light.
Soon our science will quantify spirit. Isn't that going to be wonderful? We are coming up with devices now that are sensitive to subtle energy or spirit energy. Physicists use these atomic colliders to smash atoms to see what they are made of. They have got it down to quarks and charm, and all that. Well, one day they are going to come down to the little thing that holds it all together, and they are going to have to call that ... God.

With atomic colliders they are not only seeing what is in here, but they are creating particles. Thank God most of them are short-lived milliseconds and nanoseconds. We are just beginning to understand that we are creating too, as we go along.

As I saw forever, I came to a realm in which there is a point where we pass all knowledge and begin creating the next fractal, the next level. We have that power to create as we explore. And that is God expanding itself through us.
Since my return I have experienced the light spontaneously, and I have learned how to get to that space almost any time in my meditation. Each one of you can do this. You do not have to die to do this. It is within your equipment; you are wired for it already.

The body is the most magnificent light being there is. The body is a universe of incredible light. Spirit is not pushing us to dissolve this body. That is not what is happening. Stop trying to become God; God is becoming you. Here.
The mind is like a child running around the universe, demanding this and thinking it created the world. But I ask the mind:

"What did your mother have to do with this?"
That is the next level of spiritual awareness. Oh! My mother! All of a sudden you give up the ego, because you are not the only soul in the universe.

One of my questions to the light was, "What is heaven?"
I was given a tour of all the heavens that have been created: the Nirvanas, the Happy Hunting Grounds, all of them. I went through them. These are thought form creations that we have created. We don't really go to heaven; we are reprocessed. But whatever we created, we leave a part of ourselves there. It is real, but it is not all of the soul.

I saw the Christian heaven. We expect it to be a beautiful place, and you stand in front of the throne, worshipping forever. I tried it. It is boring! This is all we are going to do? It is childlike. I do not mean to offend anyone.

Some heavens are very interesting, and some are very boring. I found the ancient ones to be more interesting, like the Native American ones, the Happy Hunting Grounds. The Egyptians have fantastic ones. It goes on and on. There are so many of them. In each of them there is a fractal that is your particular interpretation, unless you are part of the group soul that believes in only the God of a particular religion. Then you are very close, in the same ball park together. But even then, each is a little bit different. That is a part of yourself that you leave there. Death is about life, not about heaven.
I asked God, "What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?"
And Godhead said, with great love, "I don't care."

That was incredible grace. What that meant was that we are the caring beings here.
The Ultimate Godhead of all the stars tells us, "It does not matter what religion you are."
They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.

Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said, "I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.

I went over to the other side with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now.

For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, "We do not need this any more."
Now we are actually in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer.

So I came back loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size." Do we have soul size answers? YES!
The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing.
Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.

What happens when we dream? We are multi-dimensional beings. We can access that through lucid dreaming. In fact, this universe is God's dream. One of the things that I saw is that we humans are a speck on a planet that is a speck in a galaxy that is a speck. Those are giant systems out there, and we are in sort of an average system. But human beings are already legendary throughout the cosmos of consciousness.

After dying and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA experiments we may have opened the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as long as we want to live in this body. After living 150 years or so, there will be an intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. it.

This body has been alive forever already.
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Doorsopen
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 05:58 am
@Alan McDougall,
Thank you for sharing this link. It is exactly what I needn't to find expressed somewhere. Encountered my own state of grace two summers ago and still trying to find its expression.
salima
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 08:38 am
@Alan McDougall,
hi alan and doors-
i also had the same experience though not so complete. i find i can recognize people who have-and i suspect it is happening faster and faster to a greater number of people and this is a part of what i sense as being the shift to a higher plane of consciousness.

i really think it will be pretty clear sailing from here-welcome aboard and bon voyage!
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Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 01:53 pm
@Doorsopen,
Doorsopen;66335 wrote:
Thank you for sharing this link. It is exactly what I needn't to find expressed somewhere. Encountered my own state of grace two summers ago and still trying to find its expression.


I have had a profound near death experience brought on by an almost fatal suicide attempt, due to the unspeakable pain of manic depressive psychosis.

It was not an illusion or hallucination, as some think, unlike the former the NDE is vivid, beautiful and more real than our present dimension on planet earth

Hallucinations on the other hand are confused and meaningless

Hopefully you will share your state of grace with us, if you do I will post my NDE event onto the forum

Peace,light grace

Alan
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salima
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 06:27 pm
@Alan McDougall,
oh lord, are we coming out of the closet now too? i dont have the guts to do this even anonymously. you are really brave, alan...
Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 12:59 am
@salima,
salima;66458 wrote:
oh lord, are we coming out of the closet now too? i dont have the guts to do this even anonymously. you are really brave, alan...


I know exactly what you mean salima , the mocking and vitriolic ridicule is not nice, I have put some of my story on a near death forum and had only good comments from them

You are right this is a philosophical forum so I wont be brave enough to post it here

What about private message or emailing to each other

Peace and light
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salima
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 01:32 am
@Alan McDougall,
alan, i think you misunderstood me. i most certainly admire you for being brave enough to post the things you have and what you are suggesting. and i also believe this is a good venue. experiences like you are talking about become the catalyst for creating new philosophies. i was only saying that i am not sure i am as brave as you are yet...
Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 02:48 am
@salima,
salima;66490 wrote:
alan, i think you misunderstood me. i most certainly admire you for being brave enough to post the things you have and what you are suggesting. and i also believe this is a good venue. experiences like you are talking about become the catalyst for creating new philosophies. i was only saying that i am not sure i am as brave as you are yet...


Sorry for that I presumed you have had a similar experience to mine and that of Thomas-Mellen Benidict.

I am sure that be reading my idea about god in my thread "I wrote this as if i were god", you saw that my idea about the god reality is closer to Hindu ideas of deity than for instance a fundamentalist Christian God sitting on a throne in the Orion Nebular

But I split Deity into two Darkness and Light

But it is uniquely and quintessentially me, I did not borrow this idea from Hinduism or ant ism it all flows from my vivid imagination

But I think God could even satisfy the Christian and make some of his essence appear on a throne, why not?
salima
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 05:40 am
@Alan McDougall,
we had in my opinion exactly the same experience-but i dont usually use religious terms to describe it, i try to express it in terms that i would have to call philosophical-or maybe metaphysical. it is only a difference in terminology. but it is the same experience, that of reality-for me it was a glimpse of the truth. and as doorsopen says, it took me years to try and apply it to my life and thinking.
in my estimation, the subject of spirituality and philosophy are really the same thing-religion is a method to reach the truth. spirituality and philosophy are various paths towards the truth. there are atheists who will reject what you are saying if you use the word god but they can accept it if there is no reference to deity.
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xris
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 05:43 am
@Alan McDougall,
Im sorry Alan but i will have to criticise this thread, its not personal as i would never say the individuals experiences are invalid.I have to ask the question why are so few privy to this knowledge and what purpose does it serve? If this creator had our interests at heart and wished to inform us of our true reasons for our mortal existance, why not be more forthcoming?
If the soul is never evil whats your opinion of Hitler now? is he already forgiven for his mortal sins?
Its amazing how as scientific knowledge advances these religious experiences keep pace with them..past spiritual adventures would never go back to the BB and beyond.
salima
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2009 07:15 pm
@Alan McDougall,
(sorry, i should have included the quote from xris)

interesting...i have found past historical spiritual experiences and current ones to be strikingly similar. every time i read one i am amazed at the exactness of the experience yet the refreshingly various ways it is described. they show differences in degrees of intensity and length of duration, the people who receive them have to work hard to be able to assimilate them into their lives and worldview-but they have always been the same. only the human beings who receive them differ somewhat in their level of understanding.

even though you are addressing alan, i would like to give my answers to the same questions. i hope both you and he will excuse me for speaking up if out of place.

the reason so few are privy to these experiences is that the physical configuration of the brain is not suited to receive them in most people, but it is fast becoming prevalent as the species evolves. thus the increasing frequency of the phenomena. i also would hazard a guess that the newer generations include many who have been born already pre-wired and ready to function in ways that have not yet been possible. that is part of the reason for their unrest and confusion and what appears to me as a sort of holding position in their attitude towards life, the hesitation to choose a course and follow it. (it is starting in the west, this transformation)

the purpose it serves is to increase knowledge, wisdom and understanding by allowing individuals to make full use of their faculties, which has not yet been possible.

i do not ask or answer questions regarding a creator-in my interpretation of the source of the reality we are sharing, there is an awareness, which is constantly evolving. i cannot fathom whether or not it makes decisions. maybe someone else can...

my own personal opinion about whoever you choose to call evil is this: there is no evil in the soul of man, only in his physical manifestation. we are warped and crippled both emotionally and mentally by the aspects of our condition on the physical plane, by our imagined separation from the/our source. that is the cause of what you call evil. once we return to the source it doesnt matter any more. the soul remains intact, unsoiled, unhurt, innocent, but with something added to its sense of awareness by the physical experience which couldnt have been gleaned in its original pristine condition.

to answer your predictable rebuttal to my last statement, commonly listeners will say 'then you can do anything you want, you are immoral.' no, i have definite ideas on what is moral or immoral to follow while entrapped in this predicament or temporary condition along with you and everyone else. that is to say now i do-before this particular event in my life, i was quite a despicable, selfish, greedy, normal human being. furthermore, it is more common than otherwise that those people who undergo this experience often completely change their lives and personalities-and they always, without exception so far as i have ever heard or read, change towards a condition of being that has as its goal selflessness, unity, love and a wish to help others whom they perceive as part of the same awareness.
xris
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 06:20 am
@salima,
So what purpose does this existance serve..If the soul is perfect how can it improve perfection? this ugly existance.
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salima
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 08:51 am
@Alan McDougall,
xris:So what purpose does this existance serve..If the soul is perfect how can it improve perfection? this ugly existance.


without manifestation, (meaning the appearance or evolution of either this existence or any other that may have happened), the original being in its state of awareness had no object to be aware of-as if it were a pair of eyes with nothing to look at, and could not see itself. if awareness exists, it must strive to be aware of something. it seems to me that it would, anyway. it would be a natural consequence of its being.
the purpose served is a fuller understanding of reality-just as we sit here asking who are we, what are we, why are we here, these questions are being answered for the one being we are also at a deeper level.

in its original state, the awareness was absolute-with no opposite. but as soon as it split into the segments that formed as a result of manifestation on a grosser plane, the illusion of duality is seen. we are able to analyze all the pieces of any attribute, by looking at the extreme examples of them and all the shades of grey in between from one pole to the other of opposites...such as moral/immoral, right/wrong, beautiful/ugly.

but we have to take the good with the bad. this existence isnt all ugly, though there was a time i thought it was. there are clues-even if there are people who cant see any beauty in the world, other people do. why is that? if they see it, we can too. there is also beauty in imperfection, at least i have been able to find it.
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 10:01 am
@xris,
xris;66508 wrote:
Im sorry Alan but i will have to criticise this thread, its not personal as i would never say the individuals experiences are invalid.I have to ask the question why are so few privy to this knowledge and what purpose does it serve? If this creator had our interests at heart and wished to inform us of our true reasons for our mortal existance, why not be more forthcoming?
If the soul is never evil whats your opinion of Hitler now? is he already forgiven for his mortal sins?
Its amazing how as scientific knowledge advances these religious experiences keep pace with them..past spiritual adventures would never go back to the BB and beyond.


xris you have a right and I expected criticism I think there might be a few elements of truth weaved into a huge lot of elaboration mostly self generated rubbish.

A soul can be evil very evil indeed and during my NDE I saw a type of hell, not flames but a cold and dark eternal separation from God

Xris you are close to god even if you do not believe in him, if you were not you would cry out like the person in my poem below

Beneath the black and midnight sun
a cold cold summer wind refuses to warm my frightened soul

I am empty and walk by a dead infinite purple stagnant ocean , upon this freezing Grey and winter place

Beneath a moonless sky a lonely one weeps and cries, a lonely one cries

Grey clouds rush strange across this translucent far land , I am lost without hope

Crystalline forest of long dead trees array this most barren land No grass upon this dark world, a lonely one cries

A great black black sun shines darkness upon this distant frightening shore. The midnight sun bitter endless night I must abandon all hope , for ever, a lonely one cries

A billion trillion light years separate me from all i Love, a lonely one cries

Towards a minute light across a black void and infinite gulf of eternal night I cannot cross, through ten thousand billion trillion years I cry and no one will ever hear my soft voice again

The light is gone out in my soul I am so dark so cold so far from the great God

I am fulled with icy fear eternally dread is my eternal companion , only I live

I cry out for death but it flees from me, my punishment is that I can never die

A cold creeping realization begins to horrify me


Do not come to where I am there is no escape

I am in "HELL"

(this is separation from God)l

(Hitler is there)


This near death event or phenomenon is real and science is giving it serious investigation

Parts of the experience cross cultural boundaries and are startlingly similar no matter what religious or ethnic background the experiencers have.

All this going back to the big bang I think comes from his own imagination and I think is just he is a liar

He did have an experience of some sort and I think he embellished a huge lot of it. I went to his web site and it is all about money money money.

That makes me want to dismiss him as a fraud , maybe an interesting fraud at that.

What I like about you xris is you can disagree and not get personal or insult one like some try to do on the forum

If we all conformed and had the exact same view we might as well close down the forum.

I appreciate your posts and disagreements,it makes the topics very interesting by opening other avenues of thought

Peace to you xris and others

Alan
xris
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 10:18 am
@Alan McDougall,
Thank you Salima, Alan, our experiences form our opinions in many ways, we must appreciate others have theirs but with it must come caution.Mine have forced me to accept certain previous held opinions had to be changed or altered to fit my experiences.Other peoples experiences are theirs and although i question them i can not dismiss them out of hand.They can be burdens or treasures.
Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 01:46 pm
@xris,
xris;66685 wrote:
Thank you Salima, Alan, our experiences form our opinions in many ways, we must appreciate others have theirs but with it must come caution.Mine have forced me to accept certain previous held opinions had to be changed or altered to fit my experiences.Other peoples experiences are theirs and although i question them i can not dismiss them out of hand.They can be burdens or treasures.


Indeed xris you are not the same person you where as a child, every cell with the exception of your brain neurons have been replaced over and over again

But the atoms that constitute your entire reality and condensed energy entity are always changing, no atom now in your body is the same atom you had as a baby. You are constantly evolving as a material being and I believe your consciousness or awareness will continue to evolve post mortal earthly death

I know God is close to you Xris it is not based on your belief or non belief, it is an innate intrinsic peace that you have inside you

How do I know God is with you and loves, if God was not with you , you would get a sense of unimaginable emptiness , an unspeakable desolation to terrible to contemplate

I have gone to this place, becuase I asked for the knowledge of good and evil.Separation from God is so aweful so unspeakably terrible that it is beyond comprehension

The devil looks after his own and it fills the god void in psychopaths

If you could pain an oil painting representing your life, it will have dark blotches in it, but I think the final touches will please your self as well as god, it is not necessary to believe in God,you will know it in a no uncertain way if he removed his presence from the god void in your heart

I am not trying to convert you, that is not necessary xris your posts indicate to me you ar not a person terrified by eternal extinction , somehow deep in your inner being you have knowledge about your ultimate destiny

Go to link blind woman sees in outer body experience

YouTube - Near Death Experience - Blind woman SEES while OUT OF BODY
xris
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2009 02:10 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Thank you Alan, i am assured there is more than this life by my experiences and the final adventure holds its own secrets. We shall never be privy to them ,till the time comes.If there is a god he has never shown himself to me ,however much i look.I decided years ago if i can exist without a perceived god here why not in heaven.I really do believe we are not capable of conceiving of god or our reasons for existing, we must accept the gift of life and pursue its value.Thanks Xris..
Alan McDougall
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2009 01:51 am
@xris,
xris;66707 wrote:
Thank you Alan, i am assured there is more than this life by my experiences and the final adventure holds its own secrets. We shall never be privy to them ,till the time comes.If there is a god he has never shown himself to me ,however much i look.I decided years ago if i can exist without a perceived god here why not in heaven.I really do believe we are not capable of conceiving of god or our reasons for existing, we must accept the gift of life and pursue its value.Thanks Xris..


Look into the eyes of those who you love and are the most precious to you, reach out and touch their cheeks, "then you have reached out and touched the face of God"

All of best mind that we humans have cannot make even one hair on a child s head, what we create is dead, what God creates is LIFE

It is we humans that create ugliness, gods creation is beautiful we have to search to find ugliness in pristine nature
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2009 08:20 am
@Alan McDougall,
One thing that without any doubt whatsoever must be pointed out, is that no one ever experiences death. A living entity may very well experience the process of cellular death, but that is not a matter of somatic death at all.

Not a single animal who has somatically died, (H. sapien or not) in all past eternity of evolutionary process on the earth, has ever survived. The very meaning of death precludes such an idea.

We can take the knowledge that in that neuronal cells activate processes of cognition and consciousness, and that they do so because they are living, and that as they die, cognition and consciousness declines, full death of all neuronal cells of the brain of any living entity equals full non-existence of that previous state of cognition and consciousness.

To make claims about what any held concept can, or cannot do, should be backed with empirical reason for making such claims. Wouldn't that be more reasonable?
salima
 
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Reply Sat 6 Jun, 2009 10:12 am
@KaseiJin,
KaseiJin;66818 wrote:
One thing that without any doubt whatsoever must be pointed out, is that no one ever experiences death. A living entity may very well experience the process of cellular death, but that is not a matter of somatic death at all.

Not a single animal who has somatically died, (H. sapien or not) in all past eternity of evolutionary process on the earth, has ever survived. The very meaning of death precludes such an idea.

We can take the knowledge that in that neuronal cells activate processes of cognition and consciousness, and that they do so because they are living, and that as they die, cognition and consciousness declines, full death of all neuronal cells of the brain of any living entity equals full non-existence of that previous state of cognition and consciousness.

To make claims about what any held concept can, or cannot do, should be backed with empirical reason for making such claims. Wouldn't that be more reasonable?


it is usually called a neardeath experience...dont know why this mellen fellow has called it a death experience.

what is somatical death? is it more dead than clinically dead? just asking...i am not a doctor.
 

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