Questions about god

@Kielicious,

Kielicious wrote:

So whenever I ask these questions to priests, preachers, theists, etc. I dont really get satisfying answers. Usually they tell me to read certain verses in the bible. So Im just looking for better answers than what I have gotten. Im sure alot of these questions arent new but any responses are appreciated. Thanks guys!

Oh and Im using the 'omnimax' god in case you were wondering which one (i.e. Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnibenevolent, etc...)

1) How is free-will possible with an omniscient being?

2) If god is outside of nature: space, time, matter, energy, etc... then what is god "in"? What is god if he doesnt have matter or energy?

3) Why is god a 'he'? Why is god anthropomorphised?

4) If god is omnipotent why is there evil, the devil, suffering, etc...?

5) How is god conscious? or....How can your consciousness survive death when it needs a brain to function?

6) If god intervenes with miracles then how does god interact with nature?

That last one is alittle obscure but I'll elaborate if anyone is having a hard time understanding what Im trying to say. So ya, any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Depends which "god" you are asking of, since a "god" based on a religion is diffrent from another "god" based apon another religion.

Yet, to answer your questions from a neutral and logical point of view and perception of the concept of "god"

Its logical that there had to be a entitie with great power to create and uphold the complex graceful laws that governs this existence.

So to it is very likly that such an entitie could only uphold such, if it be such, hence that entitie is most likly everything.

Which in the christian religion, "god" is said to be all and allows all, therefore some people have come to the conclution that "god" is the devil

Therefore "god" would be playing all sides. (A true... S.O.A.B)

Yet, this is untrue, for such dose not play all sides, since "god" is just everything and allows everything to exist, for "god" is just the playing board and the force that keeps the board in its current state, for "god" dose not more the peices that "god" has made on the board, yet is more likly allowed the peice on the board to move them selves, and therefore in a way giving them the power of "God", this is mainly why in the christian religion the person named "jesus" had said all people are "god" and "gods", both statments where made due to that reasoning, which his failure of telling people why everyone are "god" and "gods" but not the "god" that made all and all "gods" for its so in a way we all are brothers and sisters and sons and duaghters of "god" by this reasoning. (So he wasnt lie'n He surly is the son of god and he is god LOL!)

With such said, now to systematicaly answer your questions based apon a single point of view of the nature of "god". (*Note I wont answer 3&6)

1. "God" is everything and can do everything, therefore such can create somthing that is not bound by its its will, for that is WHY such is possiable.

2. It seems based apon the known facts of the nature of this existence, "God" had created all from "Nothingness", yet is seems "Nothingness" is just a wall that of which prevents those on this side to know whats on the other side, basicaly are existence the finite, past "nothingness" is infinite existence.

This might make it more easy to undertand, For within this existence all things are limited, for they are finte, for there is a limited amout of combonations of movements, lines, thoughts, images, ect. Hence everything is limited within this existence and therefore is bound by these limitations.

For all signs point to the conclution that such a "God" dwells within the realm behind nothingness within the infinite existence that one could call by heaven & hell.,

Yet this seemly both concepts of these existences are mere oppisite, and therefore are a pair in a duality, due to this, it seems like there is a "true god" that has all traped within a dual existence "Finite & Infinite".

So you asked, what is "god" in? logical it seems such is within a realm that is hidden from all and is out side these dual existences, and therefore is beyond all comprehention and can never be known within the dual existences, which seems to go along with the philosophy within one of the books that compose the christian bible.

4. It seem's due to a unknown law of this existence, which seems to be the law of duality, hence of one thing exists at one point of time, so to shall the oppisite of such exist at one point of time, for this theme has also been pointed out within a book in the bible, here is a link to a thread about such. http://www.philosophyforum.com/forum/philosophy-forums/branches-philosophy/philosophy-religion/1872-duality-within-bible.html#post21336

5. First off lets stick to the facts about life and death, for its a fact that when you die you must exist diffrently than how you once did with a body.
How is god conscious? Most likly the same way how "god" made everything, for thy said so, therefore made it so. Lovly paradox for all within the realms of finite and infinte...

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@Axis Austin,

Axis Austin wrote:

I think God gave us free-will so that we could choose to reject or choose him (which it seemed like you accepted but disliked earlier).

If it seemed like I accepted that we have free will then I may have been misleading. My apologies if that's the case. (Again, I consider free will and free thought to be two different things.)

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@Kielicious,

Some say god has created things around to see himself, like a mirror.
But i believe that existence of god should not need to be 'seen' or be 'prooved' somehow.

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@Solace,

Solace wrote:

I don't think the point is so much whether or not we have free will, but whether or not we want it. Let me say that there should be a distinction made between free will and free thinking. We all think and are free to think as we wish. Even the child of an overbearingly protective parent can think whatever he/she wants. It's just a matter of what we can and can't do, and again, moreover, what we want to be able to do and not to do. For instance, wanting God to leave it up to me to decide whether or not I receive eternal life is an awfully careless thing to do. More than that, it shows that I don't trust God enough to let him make the decision, that I'd prefer the decision was in my hands and not his. I think a child should (and most children do) trust their father enough to let him make those decisions that involve the child's future and well being.

Good post. I might just substitute a couple of words. Rather than free thinking, "natural thinking" unencumbered from directorial input. A guiding hand rather than a "leading hand". I think as it relates to the status quo, the role of both parents is skewed as it is their intentions for the child to succeed in the status quo, regardless of the natural calling of the child. In other words the child will provide the parents all the information they will need provided he is allowed to do so and we provide that environment for that to happen. Exactly opposite of the educational system we have today. IMO. As far as it being our "option" in determining eternal life or not is, IMO, is a moot point. We have no option. Our existence is eternal whether we want it or not. What is the great unknown is the "nature of that existence". It is my belief making "those natural decisions" and their complimentary nature to that harmony that governs the universe, is God. To assume the future is "pre-ordained", I think is entirely wrong. The pressure that ensues in our belief that we "should" do or act in a certain way in order to "please" God is, in my opinion, more than we can handle and man's effort to establish what that is as he "speaks" for God, is our greatest fault. Again, IMO.It's all about a free and easy "natural following". When you take into consideration the epidemic of ADD and ADHD in our young, it makes sense as they have difficulty in learning what we are "requiring" them to learn. Just my added thoughts, I hope you don't mind.
William

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@Kielicious,

Axis A; please do not be sorry for me...I trust I have made the best of my experience with church. And it may seem a heavy burden, but I carry my church with me where I go... The Catholics are not all bad, and like one man said: I'll leave my church when I find one better...I am sorry if you find it ridiculous, but the goal of heaven is not reached by the expressway... My guess is, that like the calvinists, that to be worthy of heaven we must make the earth more heavenly... Now, what that means for them, and what it means for me will inevitable be different; but I must agree with the early Christians and the Muslims that we will be judged on our works; as being a born beast of burden, and a working man, I know of no task that can be done well without full attention given to it... We know, if we accept the faith that heaven awaits... For now, whether heaven waits or not; our brothers and sisters are living in hell... We can save one, or help many, or only try; but the reality has more meaning than the myth... Who really cares if heaven exists if we can, with the help of God do good... Why then, alienate yourself from the power of God, but say I can do good only so long as God gives me the light, and God makes light my load... What does it matter if I forgive or God forgives??? What does it matter if God helps or I help??? If God is mine, and I am God's what is the point of credit, or responsibility???This is just what human beings do, and if they do it for their families, then they should, seeing they are of the family of man, do for all... I am my Brother's keeper...If God wants to curse the ones that I pick up, that is between God and them... I cannot both judge and liberate... I can only liberate, and if for that I burn, then so be it...I haven't got time for speculation... I don't care if I go to hell... I want to be free of the form and formula of religion... I only want the relationship, and with that I am already in heaven... You see how easy it is to slip into spiritualism??? It is easy, because if God is, then God is all...And if man exists then man is all... Whether I live with man, or live with God I cannot go wrong so that both paths only seem to part and each reaches the same destination...

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@grasshopper,

grasshopper wrote:

Some say god has created things around to see himself, like a mirror.
But i believe that existence of god should not need to be 'seen' or be 'prooved' somehow.

Don't worry about whether God is... Act as if God is, because that is the only way we can make God real; as all other methods of realizing God fail before they are attempted...

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@Kielicious,

I'v been acting, pretending about a lot of things that doesn't really exist for people around me in life and some work, some don't. Why should 'god' need to be realized by us? why did he needed to be 'seen' by us? Wasn't he enough for himself?

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@Kielicious,

You tell me... Who needs who??? Why would God need us unless we need "Him" to...

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@Kielicious,

i'd need him to make me a bit wiser to understand this all, but he doesnt help at all Razz

so he better get some help from me, i have some advices to him about how 'usefull and helpfull' he can be. at least all theese writings, comments etc.. could have a bit more meaning than they have now.

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@Kielicious,

Kielicious wrote:

So whenever I ask these questions to priests, preachers, theists, etc. I dont really get satisfying answers. Usually they tell me to read certain verses in the bible. So Im just looking for better answers than what I have gotten. Im sure alot of these questions arent new but any responses are appreciated. Thanks guys!

Oh and Im using the 'omnimax' god in case you were wondering which one (i.e. Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnibenevolent, etc...)

1) How is free-will possible with an omniscient being?

2) If god is outside of nature: space, time, matter, energy, etc... then what is god "in"? What is god if he doesnt have matter or energy?

3) Why is god a 'he'? Why is god anthropomorphised?

4) If god is omnipotent why is there evil, the devil, suffering, etc...?

5) How is god conscious? or....How can your consciousness survive death when it needs a brain to function?

6) If god intervenes with miracles then how does god interact with nature?

That last one is alittle obscure but I'll elaborate if anyone is having a hard time understanding what Im trying to say. So ya, any help is appreciated. Thanks.

I tend to think of the creator, or God, as a parental figure. And although I have no answers to your questions about God, maybe thinking of him or her or whatever, in that context, can provide a different view.

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@Kielicious,

Kielicious wrote:

1) How is free-will possible with an omniscient being?

Omniscience doesn't remove Free Will. God may know what you are going to do, but it may still be your will to do it. Omnipotence questions Free Will more, if God is controlling human Minds, although just because God can affect human Minds, doesn't mean he will. It's also possible that there is not Free Will afterall.

Kielicious wrote:

2) If god is outside of nature: space, time, matter, energy, etc... then what is god "in"? What is god if he doesnt have matter or energy?

If God is incorporeal or immaterial, then he has no material form. He isn't space, time, matter, energy, force or anything. So he isn't in anything. My personal opinion is that God is Being itself, or a personification of Existence itself.

Kielicious wrote:

3) Why is god a 'he'? Why is god anthropomorphised?

I think mainly because it's easier. And he is a 'he' because for most of human civilization men ruled societies, and it just became 'he'. Nobody thought anything of it. If the Bible is true, then it's also possible that God is called 'he' simply because the first human being was male, not female.

Kielicious wrote:

4) If god is omnipotent why is there evil, the devil, suffering, etc...?

I'm pretty sure I heard that Muhammed said something like "God is Perfect, and both Good and Evil come from Him". This seems to make sense to me. Maybe Evil is part of God's plan, and perhaps God created the Devil so that the Devil could carry out God's evil, allowing human beings to trust that God's more direct nature would never plague them with evil.

Kielicious wrote:

5) How is god conscious? or....How can your consciousness survive death when it needs a brain to function?

First; God's consciousness. I don't know... good question Razz

Second; why does consciousness need a brain to function? It's certainly logically possibly for consciousness to exist without a physical brain.

Kielicious wrote:

6) If god intervenes with miracles then how does god interact with nature?

Maybe he doesn't. Or maybe Miracles have completely natural explanations, and God simply influences nature in a way to bring about his miracles. Maybe God works through quantum mechanics...

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@Kielicious,

Kielicious wrote:

3) Why is god a 'he'? Why is god anthropomorphised?
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People have thought such for the scriptures of GENESIS 1:26 & 1:27

Ha.... For I can claim an image is "my own", for I hath made that image, for that be why an image be my own, and why it not be an image of me...

JEREMIAH 23:31
Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the lord, that use tongues, and say, He saith.

For thy is niether a He nor She, for that by why thy is against such...

Beware of one's own and anothers perception of scriptures that follow not and keep thee precepts...

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@William,

William wrote:

1) How is free-will possible with an omniscient being? Their isn't. Just assumed. Since god is beyond our understanding, free will is a construct created by man to satisfy his assumed autonomy. The notion of "free will" will always exist as long as we think we are "separate" from God, and that is impossible. It just gives us reason and justification for being in our ignorance of the truth. The greatest flaw we have ever made is our assumption that "God" created the universe, when in fact, He is the universe and the "heart" that drives it. Once we get that little bit of truth transfixed in our bean, then and only then will we begin to venture out of the fog we are in.

2) If god is outside of nature: space, time, matter, energy, etc... then what is god "in"? What is god if he doesnt have matter or energy? That's the point. He's not. He just is all of that. Beyond our understanding, you bet.

3) Why is god a 'he'? Why is god anthropomorphised? Now that's a good question. Let me give you my thoughts. Man, not woman, is more in tune, if you can call it that with God and woman is more in tune with the Earth. Peace in "heaven and earth" is that relationship between man and woman. In that relationship is the harmony between the two. The woman more in tune with the Earth is because this is were she brings her young into existence. It is the peaceful harmony between the two is what life will all be about. We will never know what life is all about until that relationship between man and woman is harmonic. On a further note, considering the magnificent contribution woman has in bringing life into existence, she should not be burdened in any respect whatsoever. The nurturing and love she offers to her young is her greatest contribution.

4) If god is omnipotent why is there evil, the devil, suffering, etc...? Considering our eternal nature, what you have mention as it relates to the overall macrocosm of our existence is but that friction we were destined to go through as we adapt to our physical existence and the unknown that lies behind death's door. It is the consequences of our greed for life that is the cause for evil and suffering. The devil is that God of the universe that was prior to our existence and it resides in the deepest depths of our mind and where it needs to stay. Only fear brings it to surface. It is that instinct that provides for the "animal kingdom". Only by eliminating fear can we eliminate that evil and bury it forever never to surface again. Our greatest fear is what lies behind deaths door and is the cause of all our misery. Death is nothing more that a cleansing process we all must go through. We don't cease to exist, only our bodies do. That's all there is to it.

5) How is god conscious? or....How can your consciousness survive death when it needs a brain to function? Does it matter? All I care to know is when I am awake and conscious, my senses are alive and teach me what I need to know. Let's not make it complicated. The brain's only responsibility is to take good care of the body unencumbered by the fear of the mind. If it has to tackle that too, the body suffers. The more at peace the mind is, the better the body functions. To associate the Mind and the brain as one, is one of our greatest wrong assumptions. They do work hand in hand, but they are totally separate. I am of the opinion the mind is the soul and who we are. The body is just what we scoot around in. Ha. Once the mind and the body are in synch, then we truly begin to know what life has in store for us. It is all about harmony and chaos is not a part of it.

6) If god intervenes with miracles then how does god interact with nature? First God and nature are one and the same. Miracles are those rare instances in which we are in tune with the oneness of it all and they are rare as it relates to our present state of mind. Once we become in tune and realize our part in that oneness, the miracles become what our life has to offer. You talk about something to look forward to. Wow! :a-ok:
Reeling myself back in now. I hope my thoughts helped. Cheers.
William

God is not one with nature. If all is God, and God is all, then there really is no God.

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