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Can government be "outgrown"?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 11:32 am
@Mr Fight the Power,
Mr Fight the Power wrote:

The "masses" don't want anything. We are not The Borg.
Not yet, but your grandchildren are doomed to become the Borg,
and there will be no one to rescue them.
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 12:05 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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Should the vote of say a Biologist be worth the same in a matter of Biology then the vote of a non specialist in the field ?


Yes. It is the biologists task to inform those who must make the decision, same as it is now.
I do not have the faintest idea how such a system could be build, to be honest. I just know that we have the technological capacity for it.
Intuitively, I feel that restricting authority on some issues to those who have expertise is taking it in the wrong direction.
But how would we select which issues to vote on? Which decisions should be a public concern, and which ones should be left to the privacy of each individual? Personally, I think the fingers of the government (the Norwegian one) reach way too far, poking into matters that are strictly personal. When that happens, the democratic will becomes oppressive.

Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 12:12 pm
@Cyracuz,
Quote:
It is the biologists task to inform those who must make the decision, same as it is now.


While you can do this to some extent you cannot do this with success in all the fields. People won't get informed in all areas. Most would probably freeze and drop it with the amount of information you are talking about...people vote for a program and a government precisely to avoid the harassment of having to think about a thousand topics in depth...anyway I understand why you think its dangerous...but danger for danger I rather stick with the specialists...Wink
Cyracuz
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 12:37 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
I think that even though someone may have little or no knowledge about how to make electricity, they still need electricity, and so should be allowed to influence decisions being made regarding the availability of it.
This person shouldn't have any say in precicely how to make it. But he might have opinions we have to respect about where to make it and which method should be used. Water, coal, nuclear etc..
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jun, 2013 12:46 pm
@Cyracuz,
Agreed then...I am referring to the other half...sometimes legislation can be very specific and technical.
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Manke Nelis
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 02:33 pm
@Fido,
First let me say I am new to this forum and I come to you as humbled and also I am dutch, so my grammar might not be as fluent as you'd need it to be. Maybe tho, my quorky, maybe even slightly distorted (as a foreign speaker) interpretation and use of the english language will help with adding some freshness to the table. I do not know, I just come here to bounce of ideas and learn.

My current reaction tot your question would be this:

I think government is inherently needed for our species to be civilized. And even organized. I mean, isn't government just a more fancy form of 'the leader of the pack' concept? To be functional as a social species we néed organisation. Whenever this is in the form of some patriarch, a medicineman or a facist dictator for that matter , we are prone, maybe even 'slaves' to the act of centralizing the power. Thus I do not think it can be outgrown. A world without control would be a mindless one. Since we do have minds I don't think we could (nor should) get rid of the concept of government.


Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 8 Jun, 2013 04:11 pm
@Manke Nelis,
If you think your English is bad or rusty wait till you get to know mine, its scary...Wink

...yeah I agree with you that leadership is needed, but also think our old model needs some improving...which one will require some experimenting.
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mcdemeusy
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 06:17 am
@Khethil,
We can certainly restructure the current Government. We will need to start from scratch. This will be the first step in bringing the control back to "The People". This current shutdown is merely a symptom of where we are heading.

Gather 12 diverse people in your community and start a conversation.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 06:38 am
@Icon,
Icon wrote:
I have been contemplating government as of late and I have began to wonder... Would it possible to outgrow government? In other words, would it be possible to grow out of the need for government and controlling parties?
Yes.

We shud start working on that.





David
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 06:40 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
your grandchildren are doomed to become the Borg,
and there will be no one to rescue them.



I think Elysium is a more likely scenario.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 07:17 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
your grandchildren are doomed to become the Borg,
and there will be no one to rescue them.

I think Elysium is a more likely scenario.
What is your evidence ?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 11:01 am
@OmSigDAVID,
The increasing power of the ultra rich, at the expense of everyone else.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 12:42 pm
@izzythepush,
Does your conclusion result from your premises ?





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 Oct, 2013 02:11 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
No, from observation.
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