violence and its consequence

xris, why didnt you just call the police on that guy?

i am probably the most non-violent person in the world, but in order to prevent violence from being done i might be provoked enough. but first there are usually other options-in other words there may be other ways to stop what is going to happen or is in the process of happening without actually having to resort to violence.

but of all things, committing an act of violence after the fact? to what end? and by what authority? (you may have guessed i am also against capital punishment)

xris, why didnt you just call the police on that guy?

Anger and fear override logic, sorry to say. My own thoughts as I have had time to think about what xris did, are relating to the victim in that her fear of "isolation" overrode her abuse, "freezing" her in the situation. I sincerely think that is the rule in most abuse cases. My "Ex" is going through the same scenario, though not this intense. These abuser's and I use the word reluctantly, are the lowest form of life, in my opinion. She and many others frozen in fear of isolation are the "hopeless" victims. I think in all probably,she would have been compelled out of her fear to change her story for she had become accustom to the abuse and being alone scares the hell out of her. Something the abuser knows all too well.

William

I hate violence. Makes me physically ill to see it, feel it, be exposed to it in any way. It is everywhere you look. Turn your head to avoid it, its in the opposite direction as well. Its like a plague. Forces its way into the lives of us all.

Yes the worse thing you can do is nothing, (im not talking about using violence).

But violent opposition is not the only option. To make the leap from "we must do something" to "we must do violence" requires something more than the recognition of a problem.

Non-violent resistance has succeeded in the past. The only strike against non-violent resistance is that it is much more difficult for our brutish species than wielding a club.

Non-violent resistance succeeded against the British. But the Nazis were not the British. It is as simple as that. The Iranian students who have been killed, and who are even now being tortured, were dealing with religious fanatics. Passive resistance would only feed them. Sorry about the world. But there it is.

Were the Nazi's not human, like the British?

And the Iranian students have not ended their struggle. It has been going on for quite some time, and success may yet be theirs if they are careful.

Sorry about the world? I don't see your point: Gandhi was able to over throw the imperial rule of one of the most powerful nations in the world without use of violence. That's no small feat.

And non-violent resistence has been successful elsewhere as well.
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There's the world, and while it's rough, I'm not the least bit sorry for being in it.

I hate violence. Makes me physically ill to see it, feel it, be exposed to it in any way. It is everywhere you look. Turn your head to avoid it, its in the opposite direction as well. Its like a plague. Forces its way into the lives of us all.

Why not, if that is necessary? What should we do? Let Hitler make some of us into lampshades in order to avoid violence. The best way to do evil is not to oppose evil.

My point is that saying the Nazis were not the British is irrelevant to the consideration of whether or not non-violent resistance could have been a successful strategy for undermining Nazi rule. As a matter of historical fact, non-violent resistance did play a role in bringing down Nazi Germany.

Why you think that the British are somehow more humane than any other nationality is beyond me. Again, go check out the history of non-violent resistance. It has succeeded against a great many barbaric nations - Communist Russia being roughly as barbaric as Nazi Germany.

I find a little time to study history, and am able to deal with the realities. I do not entertain any fantasy notions of non-violent resistance; every person who has championed such effort has noted the difficulty of such campaigns. I do not ignore their experience. Neither do I ignore their success.

You should be glad to learn of the non-violent potential, not so stubborn as to tell me that I will have to deal with some mistaken understanding of the world to which you cynically cling.

In my youth I was extremely strong and with my mood disorder to add to the mix of my attributes I was involved in many violent physical encounters (fights). None of them gave me any satisfaction,all they did was traumatise me and leave me mentally disturbed for weeks on end.

We are almost force fed violence by the media and TV etc, to the extent that we distance ourselves .

Over here in South Africa we have the second highest crime rate in the world. I wrote an article about my country the Title "The walled of nation"

(I believe only Colombia has a higher rate?)

It is a case of the inmates running free and the wardens (Law abiding members of the public) locking themselves up behind high walls, electric fences, burler bars armed guards.

You don't let you kids run free over here. My grandson while riding to school has been violently pushed off his bike with the criminals swine's stealing three of his bicycles in the process . My second eldest daughter had her home broken into, just escaping being raped or murdered.The whole house cleaned out to the extent these bastards even stealing the kettle

There is not one person in South Africa who has not been directly affected/effected by crime over here, this includes all population groups not just people of European/ancestry origin like me

South Africa has 4 times as many private security guards as policemen. Security not gold, is becoming the biggest money earning machine in SA

The USA is still considered a violent society, the appalling average murder statistics for that huge country is about 25 thousand a year

America has a population of 300 million people South Africa has one approx a seventh of that at at approx 46 million people

America 25 thousand murders a year!

South Africa official 30 thousand a year

True murder rate 50 thousand a year.

The murders committed on innocent people in this what should have been beautiful land, almost equals the Iraq war.

I would not choose SA as a tourist destination if I lived overseas, and I wonder what factor crime will pay in next years world soccer cup?

Corruption in African states is unbelievably high, you should know this by the constant spam by these idiots telling you you have won a huge lotto without ever buying a ticket

Thomas your ideal world of silent protest is naive in the extreme.

Do you honestly think Hitler would have been impressed with peaceful conversation?

The Jews hardly put up and armed struggle before they where shunted of to the gas chambers.

Do you think my friends husband would have responded to a little chat over a cup of tea?

The Jews hardly put up an armed struggle before they where shunted of to the gas chambers.

As Salima suggested, a call to the police would have been a great idea. They had the evidence of her beaten body, and you could have testified that he said "she deserved it" or whatever it was that monstrous scum said.
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Yeah, because unlike the Nazis they didn't even have a central community let alone central organization or armed forces. For 5 years before the war started the Jews faced political persecution, but it was in Germany alone and it was mostly nonviolent. For the first 2 years of WWII, the Jews were ghettoized but were not killed en masse. By the time mass killings began in the middle of 1941, the Jews were starved and diseased. So it's not like they wouldn't have fought back with arms if they had the chance.

You might take note that more than 3 million Soviet prisoners of war died in Nazi concentration and death camps, and they put up no struggle to speak of (whereas the Jews had major uprisings in Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, Warsaw, and several other ghettos).