time travel paradox

I tend to think of a paradox as an eddy in a river of time, an anomaly that occurs around a dense object; a black hole perhaps.

I also think that if someone were to go back in time, the spit instance they arrive in the past their presence there would cause them to fork off on an alternate time line where they could kill their Grandparents with out affecting the time line from which they came. Because of quantum mechanics I believe that all possibilities exist and traveling back in time would only allow us to navigate another time line.

Either that or they would already be there n rather be the reason for instance they grandparents met. You don't do what you want for free you want to do what you MUST !
Normally what you MUST do happens to coincide with what you want when you can. It seems in the example the alternative to multiverse is conditioning by circumstances that are beyond your level of awareness and free willing operational competence. A layer up.

It does not tell us that.

It solves equations and then leaves the interpretation in the air, often.

IF you solve a word problem about how many boys it takes to mow a lawn in a given amount of time and you come up with 1.5 boys you must then take that correct mathematical answer and convert to the reality terms of man-hours for it to make sense.

The solution to this paradox is that time travel is a theoretical mistake. It is a mistake to think of time as a spatial dimension that is on par with a dimension such as length. One can travel along the length of a pavement, back & forth. It is impossible to travel backwards in time. Time is only spent, with every passing instance.

Why?

Because length is a measure of distance, but time measures something abstract. We use the motion of an object in reality to measure time. But why are we measuring time in the first place? The answer lies in self-awareness & sentience. As conceptual beings, we possess the capacity for introspection. When we think, reason, are happy or sad, or feel another emotion, something in us is capable of observing the actions of our consciousness & categorizing it as such. We are able to state to ourselves that I am sad or elated or angry, etc. As conceptual beings, we are able to remember our past, but most importantly, plan our future. Man is the only living being who is able to set for himself a purpose, & take the necessary steps & actions to attain it in order to further his survival, well-being, prosperity, & happiness. Man is the only living being who is able to formulate a concept such as a past & a future which denote lapses of time & upcoming instances, respectively.

What then does time measure & why do we need it? Time measures the progression of self, of one's own consciousness in relation to an external event. We are aware of our inner state, our inner self, our fact of being conscious. However, time is a measure of this progression. Animals are alive but they are not self-aware, at least, not to a level where they are able to monitor the processes of their own consciousness or to observe its continuity. Man is aware of his own consciousness & is certainly aware of its continuity & progression over a lifetime. It is time that permits him to keep a track of this continuity & progression.

Because man is a being of free will & is able to focus his consciousness to a specific task, he wants to know how much effort to exert & for how long. In every conscious decision to act, a man is confronted by one question every-time - how long to carry out that specific task, or put another way - how long to focus his consciousness on that specific task?

A writer in the morning tells himself that he would write till afternoon before he gets up for lunch. An athlete decides that he will need an exercise regimen of at least two hours before breakfast. Observe that even telling oneself that I will continue a specific task till I am completely exhausted or till I no longer feel like doing it is still determining how long one intends carrying out a specific activity - in this instance - the event that determines the 'how long' is not one the ticking of a clock to a specified hour, but the state of one's own consciousness or body. When a person states that he will continue an activity until a specific outcome is reached, the time-determining factor, is again, not the tick of a clock but the occurrence of a specific outcome. For instance, a driver tells himself that he would continue driving, without taking a break, till a specific destination is reached. Even a life-purpose such as deciding to be a writer has an implicit event attached to it - the continued existence of one's own consciousness. If a person states to himself that he wants to spend his life writing, what is implicit in this statement is that he would continue to write for as long as he is alive, healthy, & fit to write.

Because man is a sentient being, because man is aware of his consciousness, because man is self-aware, he is also acutely aware of his mortality. Man can know years in advance of the event of his death. Because man is aware of his mortality, he is aware that unless he takes specific steps to further his life, he would be unable to extend his lifespan & death would be certain. Again, what is a man interested in when he wants to extend his lifespan? It is the continued existence of his consciousness & mind that he, above all, desires residing, of course, in a health body. It is the continued progression of his consciousness that man desires which is what time enables him to measure.

Man's method of employing his consciousness is his conceptual faculty which he employs to gain knowledge & to apply that knowledge to further his life. A conceptual consciousness seeks & is able to make causal connections. A causal connection tells man that something or some event can lead to a specific outcome. A causal connection, implicitly, implies a past, present, & a future. For instance, water when heated to 100 degrees Celsius would boil into steam. Put another way, in the past, this specific bowl of water was heated to 100 degrees Celsius & is now vaporizing into steam. In the near future, those present wisps of steam caused by the boiling of water in the past, will turn into invisible air. It is time that enables men to measure the progression, not only of their own consciousness, but the progression, also, of external events. It is only man's consciousness, aware of its own progression, aware also of a need to measure its own progression, is desirous of the need to measure the progression of external events in order to understand existence & mold existence to suit its own purpose. Man's ability to make causal connections is his ability to observe cause & effect. An effect is the outcome of a cause & always, by definition, after the cause.

Therefore, to talk of travelling back in time is to reverse the precedence of cause before effect which is, by definition, a contradiction. An adult human being cannot go back in time to when he was a toddler or an infant & yet continue to exist as an adult. His adulthood is the continued progression of his childhood into adolescence & into his present state. To go back in time, which is nothing but a measure of this progression, would mean to reverse all of the causes, the life events, the biological changes, the memories or experiences gained, the skills learnt, etc of this particular adult & yet, somehow, have the adult continue to exist back to when he was a toddler in addition to his toddler-self also existing. Therefore, travelling back in time means creating two entities of one's own self at the same instance - the adult which is the effect of the toddler's progression - a contradiction in terms.

Physics does not tell us that we can go back in time for precisely the reasons you mentioned Rather it would be possible to go back in time by entering a parallel universe

As for forward time travel you are doing it now, but if you did the almost impossible and concentrated nearly all the energy in the universe to propel your space ship say to? 9999999.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of c (speed of light) you could come out long after the death of our universe some googlplex years into the unimaginable distant future.

All those 9s are not even necessary but it's funny that you thought they were.

It does not matter how close you get to the speed of light in your conclusion. What matters is how long you maintained that velocity.

Currently we can see photons that are 13.4 billion years old. This means they have been traveling for that long to reach us.

This means you would need to maintain your velocity at least that long if not longer. Even though time would slow for your reference frame on the ship. The outside observable universe time would still need to move along at that same amount.

This is why airchair physicists should stick to cut and pasting lame theology instead.

All events leading up to any point in time have already happened. There are no paradoxes! There is only one timeline.

But a line goes in 2 directions.

Time moves in one direction only. Forward.

That's not what you said.

Not saying I agree or disagree, but give proof for your statement.....and saying it's never been observed is not proof, as it has not been observed to this moment.

if your birth line is as confusing as mine or others at my level , then you are deemed an immaculate birth -this frees me of the temporal paradox. How many IB's does it take to change a lightbulb ? No , seriously. (but only joking) or am i.

also , what is the difference between an immaculate birth and an immaculate conception ? (jokes accepted)

The problem with this , is the past not the present and buddhists accept that in nowness and with the contemplation of impermanence. You see , my nowness floor is better than the cruseus floor.

When referring to the fourth dimension I am speaking of the Minkowskian notion of time as being the fourth dimension. As in the fact that we can move forward and backward, [One dimension], sideways, [Two dimensions], up and down, [Three dimensions], and through time; [Four dimensions], and not that which is called 4- dimension Euclidean space.

We all have the ability to enter into our innermost being and mentally merge with the mind of our ancestor and to mentally re-live the life and times of he/she, who we once were.

Come travel with me on a journey through time Not in some capsule but in our own minds To the innermost sanctuary will we descend To that single cell from which we began In the Holy of Holies where all are one Where all of space and time is joined We’ll mingle there with other minds From other lands in other times Minds of the past who seem dead and gone And minds of the future who are yet unborn. For they in their times whether here on this world Or some distant planet to which they’ve been lured Will enter their innermost sanctuary too And perhaps in there they might merge with you. Ah! To travel through space in the wink of an eye Merged with a child from some world way up high Now, if this be but madness then madness it be, But, come my mad brothers, come----follow me! ……… The Anointed.

If we, the controlling godhead to the body in which we have developed, have the ability to mentally descend into the generations of our past, it stands to reason that the Godhead which has developed within the sixth generational universal body, has the ability to mentally descend into the body of its previous generation, and perhaps warn the evolving potential child of the eternal being, of some future catastrophic event (A global flood) that had wiped out all life, in that generation that had been swallowed by Father TIME, and change the course of the history of that generation, allowing the evolving mind to survive that event, and continue the evolution of that universal mind, to become the spiritual child of the eternal.

While drinking from God’s fountain, that vast and endless sea
I felt a strange sensation, as someone else there drank of Me. ……the Anointed.

Carl Sagan in his old TV program, which I believe was called “The Cosmos”, speculated that a two dimensional being having length and breadth would experience his world as a one-dimensional world.

Having only length and breadth and no height, it would not be able to look down on any two-dimensional object in its world and would only see a line which would appear to be the length of the object, irrelevant as to which direction it was seeing that object from. Unless the two dimensional being was lifted up by some unseen force, it would never know that the objects in its world had breadth as well as length.

We are fourth dimensional beings, who are able to mentally traverse time.

We are fourth dimensional beings, who, in a state of deep meditation or hypnosis, are able to descend into our inner most being where space and time are as one, and relive memories back to and beyond our own birth, and there, we are able to merge with a living mind of our past [Who we once were] and experience the life and times of our living ancestor.

And while merged with a mind of our living ancestor, [Who we once were] our comatose body in the present will sometimes speak in the tongue of that ancient ancestor, which language is totally foreign to the comatose person in question, while the ancient ancestor in his own time, babbles incomprehensively, sometimes speaking in a strange tongue, in the as yet unknown language of his future descendant, in his attempt to give form and terminology to the visions that he is receiving from the mind of his as yet unborn descendant of the future, which terminology to express such visions have not even developed in his point in time.

That person is seen as a prophet, when speaking of a giant grasshopper that spits fire from its tail, with wings above its head that sound like the roaring of a mighty waterfall, in his attempt to describe a Black Hawk helicopter as seen in a vision while merged with the future mind.

We all remain alive, to one who can descend into his past. Having that ability to mentally descend into his past, many are they who have received a mental visitation from ‘The Son of Man’, we call them prophets. Some are said to have spoken in strange tongues, when visited by one from the multi-celled Spiritual body of the ‘Son of Man’ who is said to evolve on the spirits of the righteous humans, which are gathered to him, (The Chosen Cornerstone) in the creation of the new temple=body of Light.

I see a resemblance of this in the ancient Greek myths, which were an attempt to explain that which in their time was unexplainable.

According to Greek mythology, Zeus was the sixth child born to Time (Kronos) and Space (Rhea), Time was his father and Space his mother. Zeus is the Godhead, the Most-High that was created on the sixth day, or the sixth period of universal activity, the sixth generation of the universe. Zeus, the sixth child born to Time and Space is called the father of Gods and men, the most high and powerful among mortals, whom all others obey.

His five siblings, Hestia, Demeter, Hera, Hades, and Poseidon were swallowed by their father ’Time’ immediately after they were born. The five universal bodies, who were born to Time and Space prior to the sixth universal child, did not develop a mind, that is to say, a spiritual godhead to the universal body in which they were developing.

When Zeus was born, his mother ’Space’ hid him in a cave, a tunnel (A worm hole) and gave to her partner ‘Time,’ a stone wrapped in swaddling cloth, which he swallowed. The stone swallowed by Time was none other than the philosopher’s stone, the concealed stone of many colors, the single stone with seven facets, the mystic seed of transcendental life, which should invade, tinge, and wholly transmute, the imperfect self into spiritual gold.

The son of Zeus and his sister wife Demeter, is Dionysus who is equated with Osiris. The Platonists who believed the Greek myths, called Dionysus, the mind within us, our master, our indwelling ruler.”

Demeter was the sister wife of Zeus and mother of Dionysus [The firstborn son of Zeus and the successor to the throne of the spiritual godhead to the human race] whose body was torn to pieces by the Titans, then boiled in water before being roasted in fire; [The baptism of blood, water, and fire.

When Zeus had grown, it was by a cunning devise of Metis ‘which is divine wisdom,’ that Cronos (Time) was forced to bring up the five children or the previous five universal bodies that he had swallowed before they had developed a Supreme personality of godhead within them, but first of all the seven faceted stone.

Those children who were swallowed by time, were the product of the first five creative days or periods of universal activity, (The first five generations of the universe.) Osiris like Adam was the first man to be mummified and Osiris is the god of the first of the five new made days.

Osiris/Adam, the first man to be mummified, was created on the seventh day, by “The Son of Man,” who was born at the close of the 6th generation, who was ‘the Lord to the glory of ‘EL’ the creator.

Budge—Book of the Dead, p. 627, “O Osiris, son of Nut (Primeval matter), I have given unto thee the Sovereignty of thy father Seb (Time), and the goddess Mut (Space), thy mother, (Lord of Space and Time) who gave birth to the gods, brought you forth as the first born of five gods, and created thy beauties and fashioned thy members.”

Isis, the sister wife to Osiris, was the most popular goddess from the time of Psamtik 1 (663-610 B.C) till the coming of Christianity, her cult appealed to the Greeks and Romans alike and when Egypt came under Roman rule, her cult spread through much of Europe. By the time of Jesus, the chief center of her worship was in Rome. Isis is commonly depicted with Horus the child (Harpocrates) on her lap, and today, it is impossible for the average punter to distinguish between the late pagan and early Christian figures of the mother and child, it’s almost as though the old Pagan Queen was stripped of her old garments and clothed with the new covering of Christianity.

Genesis 2:4; These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth (Universe) when they were created, etc.

“Travelling back in time” is a theoretical mistake. It came from the insufficient cognition of the physical essence of time and MISGUIDE by +/- logic. Such so called “science” would plague human until they doomed.
The misconception of “- t” appeared in science due to the research on anti matter.
Piggy has proved that “- t” is meaningless in physics.
(For details please see relevant chapters in piggy’s physics thread)
The fact is that no one can “travel back in time” to see Einstein.

Have a lovely day.

Many people are able to mentally regress, perhaps not you, but others can.

Oh Lord, a fool might even be able to “mentally” replace G* / Lord of creature.
But unfortunately, according to that fool’s logic, +/-, +/-…he never can walk 10 miles and reach the church to negotiate with G*...

Piggy’s humble opinion is that some old theories / ideas which can’t be effectively verified within a long period of time, should be abandoned, so that science can move on (progress).

May Lord be able to anoint his ointment on your substantial body…shining like sun ray…
(Lord is in the mind, not in the hand)
Have a lovely day.

The only miracle to be found in all the so-called miraculous events that occurred in Egypt at the time of the Exodus, is the fact that some invisible entity from some higher time dimension, was able to instigate the Exodus, at the precise time that the destructive forces beneath the island of Santorini, were beginning to awake.

The fourteenth day of the first month of the Jewish year, which was the first Passover ever, was the day in which all the firstborn sons of Egypt were killed.
Around that time the volcanic Island of Santorini or Thira as it is also known, which was situated in the Aegean-sea, on the Anatolian plate, which is subject to the forces of the over-riding African Plate that grinds against the Arabian plate in its Northern migration, exploded with many times the force of Krakatoa, which was a volcanic island that exploded in 1883, and that explosion was heard 5,000 kilometres away, and caused a tsunami that killed at least 36,000 people. It has been estimated that when the island of Santorini exploded, 35,000 kilometres of material was lifted into the stratosphere, and that the explosive force would have created tidal waves of anything up to 130 ft high which would have traveled at speeds of around 150 miles per hour.

A cloud, that turned day into night around 1,500 BC, has been recorded in Chinese history, and would have covered all of north Africa. The African and Arabian plates intersect in a line that runs through the Red Sea and up the Jordan valley through the Dead Sea.

Look at the strange phenomenon that was occurring at the time of the Exodus. The cloud that blanketed north Africa and most of Europe, and turned day into a night so dark that a man was not able to recognise his own brother who was standing at arms-length from him. The rain of sulfuric acid that caused so much crop failure and the death of the livestock which were forced to feed on the polluted pastures, the following series of shock waves along the great rift valley and the fractures in the Sini peninsular which is situated on the Arabian plate, the bulging of the earth’s crust beneath the Red Sea which caused a highway to rise from the waters, with its following tremor when it collapsed and tidal waves that rolled in like two walls of water on either side of where the highway had been.

Wisdom of Solomon 19: 7-8, ‘Then was beheld the cloud that shadowed the camp, and dry land rising up out of what was before water, out of the Red sea, an unhindered highway, and a grassy plain rising out of the violent surge.”

Look even where the Israelites camped on the shore of the Red sea, which was smack bang in the middle of a major coal field in Egypt.

The bulging earth rising from the surging sea before them, pressurized gas screaming from the opening fissures creating towering pillars of fire to burn behind them, a strong east wind blew all that night causing the thick smoke to blind the pursuing Egyptians while lighting up the camp of the Israelites on the eastern side of those wild fires.

All these events were caused from pressures that had been built up over tens of thousands of years and would have occurred in their proper time, irrelevant as too the Israeli situation. Where the miracle lay, was in the fact that an unseen deity of the future, was able, through his prophet Moses, to organise the events leading up to and including the exodus itself at the precise time in history that this cataclysmic event occurred.

In the book “The Wisdom of Solomon, 16” Solomon has much to say about the days of Moses; he speaks of the strange hails that fell from heaven. Burning balls of frozen gases, some with the ability to burn even in water, some which burned with a heat so intense that they incinerated anything they came in contact with, while other hail, burned with a cold fire through which animals could walk unharmed.

35,000 kilometres of material was lifted into the stratosphere
Solomon also speaks of the cloud that covered the Israelites in the desert and of the Manna that fell from heaven during the night. According to Solomon, the heavenly covering was a cloud by day and a host of stars by night, (a night sky ablaze with falling balls of burning hail stones). Then concerning the heavenly Manna, he says, “And that which was not injured by fire, [Burning hailstones] simply warmed by a faint sun beam melted away.

Each morning the desert floor was covered with the residue of the melted hailstones, mounds of a flaky cellulose substance, which looked like coriander seed, and would melt and breed worms and stink if left out in the sun, and yet could be preserved when cooked, and tasted like biscuits mixed with the purest of olive oils.

Carbohydrates are any of a group of chemical compounds, including sugars, starches, and cellulose, containing carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen ‘ONLY’, [of which there was an ample supply in the cloud from the volcanic explosion] with the ratio of hydrogen to oxygen atoms usually 2 : 1. Perhaps, if our scientists could simulate the same conditions that occurred in the stratosphere when the island of Thira exploded, they may come up with an inexpensive and environmentally friendly source of food production to feed the starving millions on the earth.

The early Egyptian magicians or scientists, were able to duplicate some of the miracles of God as performed by Moses. Wouldn’t it be wonderful if our magician/scientists of today were able to perform the more mysterious of God’s miracles as seen in the days of Moses, and provide an abundant and cheap source of food to feed the ever-growing population on this earth.

As I have already said, all those things that happened in Egypt at that time, were caused from pressures that had built up over many, many, thousands of years. Where the miracle is found, is in the fact that some invisible entity from some other time dimension, was able to instigate the Exodus, at the precise time that the destructive forces beneath the island of Santorini, were beginning to awake.

Although radiocarbon dating of an olive tree im-bedded in lava would appear to indicate a 1600 BCE eruption of Santorini/Thera, that is, if the lava that it was im-bedded in was from the actual eruption that devastated the island and its surrounding districts and not from an earlier minor lava flow. There are many archaeologists who still believe that the date is contradicted by findings in Egyptian and Theran excavations.

Buried Egyptian and Cypriot pottery found on Thera were dated to a later period than the radiometric dates for the eruption, and, since the conventional Egyptian chronology has been established by numerous archaeological studies, the exact date of the eruption remains controversial.

Because of all the contradicting evidence, the exact date of the eruption has been difficult to determine. For most of the twentieth century, archaeologists placed it at approximately 1500 BCE, but this date appeared to be too young as radiocarbon dating analysis of 'THAT OLIVE TREE' which was buried beneath “A” lava flow from the volcano on Santorini, indicate that the particular lava flow in which the olive tree was im-bedded, occurred between 1627 BCE and 1600 BCE.

But at Tell el Dab'a in Egypt, pumice found at this location has been dated to 1540 BCE, closer to the traditionally accepted date of Thera's eruption. This matches the composition of the Thera eruption.

And a lovely day to you also porky pie.

He is the FIRST an the LAST
The BEGINNING and END
The ALPHA and OMEGA
The FATHER and the SON.

One being occupying two different positions in Space -Time, and yet the two are one.

The OMEGA who is one with the ALPHA, knows everything that you will do in your future life according to your own freewill, for everything that you do in your future has been done in HIS living past.