Toughest Philosophical Questions

What facts do you think the existence of God depends on?

Do you understand what a straw man argument is?

You say "there are many evidence that god exists." Please provide some of them?

What does "truth" depend on in your life?

If believing in your god doesn't depend on emotion, what does it rely on?

Please provide your "short" list; those most important to you.

You give me a fallacy, I give you two...

Do you know what is the "appeal to ridicule" argument is?
Or do you know what the "argument of silence" argument is?

The value of thruth in my life results from my experience. Things that I experiment I can assert about them. What I don't experiment I will not hold a firm position about it, even so I can have an opinion.

I am not here saying that God exists, or that you must believe in God because X equals Z. I'm not event trying to convince you to believe in God.
What I want you to understand is that you can't absolutly afirm that God doesn't exist. You may choose to believe it but you can not test it or prove it (just because of the simple fact that you are a finit human being and you don't know everything).

I should hold also that I am a human being, that defends that God exists because of my personal experience, and because I am a human being I do mistakes, I don't hold the thruth in my hand and at the end I can be mistaken about it and God doesn't exists, but for now I have strong evidence in my life, through my experience, that God do exist.

You wrote,

See! You're doing it again. You're trying to push the proof of god to your challengers. Is that how you live your life? Make sure others must first confirm your beliefs?

I'm being very clear about where I stand, logically, common sense-wise, and evidence-wise.

You need to prove to me that your god exists, since you're the one that "defends that god exists." Show me the money!

Your "personal experience" doesn't prove anything about any god or tooth fairy.

Since you have "strong evidence for his existence," I'm only asking you to show me.

Please understand what I'm saying.

Neither I or you can show irrefutable proof that God exists or not.

Logically for you God doesn't exist, but for me logically exists (And I don't understand your logic in this, and I suspect that you don't understand mine). Your common sense tells you that God doesn't exists more than the tooth fairy, my common sense tells me that God exists (but not the tooth fairy). You don't see evidence of God existence, I see strong evidence of God existence for example in the nature.

Why should you be wright and I would be wrong? Who decides that? you? me? some atheist leader if we can elect one (like Richard Dawkins, I don't know) or some theist leader (not the pope, please )? Somebody off the topic? What makes him electable to do so? Is he error-free? Are you error-free? Am I error free?

I do not require for you to prove me that God doesn't exist, because you can't do it.

All you can do is argument about it, but I haven't seen one yet...

PS: Can we drop the allusions to santa, easter bunnies, tooth fairies, etc.? (appeal to ridicule is not an argument at all)

You wrote,

Very true, but I make life decisions that is logical and has some common sense them.

Gods have existed many millennia before your christian god came upon the human experience.

Religions have also been proven to be as immoral as those cultures without gods even though many people of religion say they learn morals. History refutes that.

I'm not arguing anything; just pointing out my observations about gods and human psychosis. The longest wars have been between religious sects.

Religious persecutions are facts of history, and proves that religion is not a benefit for mankind.

Your god is an illusion, and I try to demonstrate it by other fairytale characters of life. That's not ridicule; it's synonymous and a perfect analogy; all imagined characters.

Finally, after many years as a (Buddhist) atheist I am willing to conclude--and all of my conclusions are provsional--that for a strong believer God exists and for one who sees no reason to believe God does not exist.
Proof is out of the question.

what is god existence?? a superpowerful free will above urself freedom enslaving urs?? a superior right that kill the concept of right existence>??
to me it is clear that the concept of god is the definition of evil being the living absolute one,
one by definition is a relative fact forcing it to be an absolute concept is what force inferiority to exist by killing superiority truth

for me only objective rights exist so existence is exclusively about true freedom rights realities

My question is Why is it so hard for people to see that Evil is created by only one thing in the reality we exist in, Our own choices? Would Evil exist if Man didn't exist? I think everyone who's ever done anything to harm another person, mentally or physically, knows the answer deep inside themselves. Even if their ego's and self righteousness denies that answer, the guilt always will be there and everyone knows it. So doesn't that kinda make us all God's, because we have the one power that a true God would have, the power to knowingly create and choose how our lives COULD turn out?

I think i understand. I am what i am, and what i am is exacty the same regaurdless as to when and how it happened. Thus, all the conditional aspects of my current existance: my D.N.A., my previous experience, ect. are irrelevant. Just means to an end.

o really??? so it is ur freedom that make u choose to write here for ur life

it is incredible how far lies are all and any free move of now

human is totally enslaved even his screams to differ cant make the least of a sound, humans self conscious is such miserable freedom size stand that it is totally easily directed and possessed by any other freedom out of its relative condition of being individually
and that misery is due to ur gods that enjoy destroying existence rights for the pleasure of getting whatever results from being pointed as the source instead of truth

What I meant is a lot people always assume "good" and "evil" are some outside forces, such as God and the Devil, that somehow forces people to be one or the other. I don't assume such forces exist, the only thing that does exist is people and the choices they make, which has the power to affect other people and what they experience.

I'm not saying God is an objective figure, that to me is ridiculous, because we aren't objective beings, and everyone has their own view of what "God" is to them, and really it's nothing but what they want themselves to be. What I'm saying is we have the true power of Gods because we CAN choose to do anything we want, and can choose to AFFECT other people's experiences. People just don't like taking responsibility for their choices, especially their choices that hurt others. That's why most criminals are gutless and run and hide when they steal, or rape or kill someone.

Literally, we aren't Gods, because their is no literal God in my view. It's the choices that make us Godlike. If people are sick of living in a messed up world, then all people have to do is quit doing bad things to each other, and leave everyone else and their beliefs, or race, or sex alone. Maybe we are individuals because we are supposed to make choices that affect our own individuality and not make choices that affect others so much.

Interesting perspective; somewhat like what Buddhists believe.

I don't see how you get to that conclusion, ci. At least not from this quote.

It goes without question that no one can show that there are no gods.

That does not impact on the question of whether gods exist or not...but it is an irrefutable assertion.

Frank, If you had bothered to go beyond one statement, you would understand my position. It's an on-going discussion; not a one post discussion.

I specifically mentioned that I was talking about that single comment...not about any on-going discussion. I've heard your on-going discussion--I have been a participant in many of your on-going discussions on this issue many times, ci, and I disagree with you to the max.

In any case, in the instant case, you were wrong.

I merely was pointing that out.

That's "your" personal opinion - not even agreed upon by many who have discussed this subject with you.

I agree with "them," and not with you!

I have no idea of what you are talking about here. Any chance you can give me some idea of what the "that" in "That's your personal opinion" references?

OK so what is your point? If no one can not disprove the existence of the Easter bunny, "are you also willing to make that assertion for the Easter bunny as well or is this only a God issue for you?

Are you stipulating that "it goes without question that no one can show there is no Easter Bunny?"