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@JPLosman0711,

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The funny thing here is you can't go one second without trying to turn this into an argument.

..."being there" HAS arguments going on, deal with it !
...and yes I am being exactly who I am, I just did it !!!

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if a tress falls with no one to hear it did it make a sound-

Did it even fall?

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@smartass,

You're not really looking to think or have any kind of actual discussion here.

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@CarolA,

2. is there purpose to us as humans?
If there was a purpose everything we do or decide was planned out since the very begginning since when the universe was just created to the very first bacteria. Everythig leads up to one final ultimate purpose.
If there is a purpose then the only reason we are here is the fulfill that purpose.
we are here for years to ome until we can be evolutionized enough to fulfill that one ultimate purpose.

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@xxxx,

What if purpose was like accidentally spilling a cup of coffee?

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@Procrustes,

That's not purpose; it's sloppy handling of the cup of coffee.

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@cicerone imposter,

Hahaha, yes you're right CI. But you could say it made a purpose because the waitress has to clean up that mess.

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@ariciunervos,

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How about Santa Claus and his invisible sleigh and reindeer ?

I prefer God...

Santa is only available once a year

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@wcpato,

But then, you have the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy.....

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@cicerone imposter,

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But then, you have the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy.....

They suffer from the same problem - too temporarily unavailable and too specific. I can relate with God on a daily basis, whether you chose to believe it or not. I have the real experience.

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@wcpato,

Your "real experience" is all imaginary. It doesn't matter which religion one belongs to; they all have "that" experience. Try to figure out why.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Your "real experience" is all imaginary. It doesn't matter which religion one belongs to; they all have "that" experience. Try to figure out why.

Can you give me an evidence that my reality doesn't exist? Can you prove to me that you are wright and I am wrong?

Are you imaginary to me? Or are you real?

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If I gave you a logical "proof" that you did not exist. After giving up efforts to refute my proof you might just have breakfast or take a walk. That's what I think of logic: necessary but insufficient.

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@wcpato,

I was responding to your statement,

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I can relate with God on a daily basis, whether you chose to believe it or not. I have the real experience.

Your "real" experience with god is imaginary; nothing more, nothing less. All people of religion "experience" the same phenomenon. They think and feel they are communicating with their god.

FACT: It's been proven through research that third party prayers for a patient has no effect. None.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Your "real" experience with god is imaginary; nothing more, nothing less. All people of religion "experience" the same phenomenon. They think and feel they are communicating with their god.

FACT: It's been proven through research that third party prayers for a patient has no effect. None.

Again, can you give me evidence or proof of what you say is true?

FACT: A can also say that through research it has been proven that third party praying really helps patients.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/23/AR2006032302177.html

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San Francisco cardiologist Randolph Byrd, for example, conducted an experiment in which he asked born-again Christians to pray for 192 people hospitalized for heart problems, comparing them with 201 not targeted for prayer. No one knew which group they were in. He reported in 1988 that those who were prayed for needed fewer drugs and less help breathing.

These called "researches" and their results really depends on who are conducting the researches and have no real meaning.

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@wcpato,

One doctor? You've got to be kidding!

Here's an extensive study done by Harvard at multiple hospitals.

http://web.med.harvard.edu/sites/RELEASES/html/3_31STEP.html

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@cicerone imposter,

First: Just gave you one example of a simple google search and the first that came out.
Second: Why does Harvard have any more to say than others in this matter? Are they specialists about praying?

As I said, the so called researches suffer from the same. The results really depend from who conduct the researches. Atheist will come to the obvious conclusion that prayers don't get answered and theist will come to the obvious conclusion that they do. Doesn't mean a thing.

If God doesn't exist then we are facing with the cases where people get cured with no logical explanation from doctors, and there are many cases.
If God exists (and I'm talking about the Bible God) then He is a person, and a person is not subject to magical recipies. Prayer is not like an ATM card that if you digit the wright code it will give you the money.

And I'm waiting for you to prove that my reality doesn't exist...

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@wcpato,

Why does Harvard any more to say? You are kidding!

The Harvard study includes many doctors, hospitals and patients; not one doctor like your study.

When you rely on one source for your information, it only proves you're only looking to find some agreement with your preconceived idea of what the facts are.

What is your level of education? Have you ever heard of Harvard? It's rated as one of the top universities in the US.

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@wcpato,

How am I suppose to prove your reality doesn't exist?

You believe in the easter bunny, and there is no way in logic that anybody can prove a negative in another's belief.

Rather, prove that there's a god, since you're the one claiming he/she/it exists?

There are a preponderance of evidence that no god exists.

Let's start with the bible; it's full of errors, contradictions, omissions, and interpretations of the word of god.

Where would you like to start?

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@cicerone imposter,

There are many evidences that God exists.

You bring the classic argument that the Bible is full of errors, contradictions, etc. Would this imply that God doesn't exist?

You are a human being, a human being that makes mistakes and sometimes contradicts yourself. Does this mean that you parents don't exist?

The existence of God doesn't depend of the fact that you may or may not find errors or contradictions in the Bible (if you try to google you can find answers to the contradictions of the Bible and I am not going depict here those answers because none of the sides will reach to a victory).

I would say even more. The existence of God doesn't depend if you like the way God is presented in the Bible or not. The value of thruth doesn't depend on emotional decisions.

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