JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Fri 11 Feb, 2011 05:43 pm
@Dasein,
You always know just what to say, don't you?
Dasein
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 04:28 pm
@JPLosman0711,
I guess not because I'm speechless.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 12 Feb, 2011 04:32 pm
@Dasein,
Mr. Green Mr. Green Laughing Laughing
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Banisher
 
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Reply Sat 26 Feb, 2011 09:51 pm
As humans, apparently the most intelligent beings alive, we give purpose to all things of the Universe. Animals are to give off CO2, Plants are to give off Oxygen, tools are to help us build and destroy, so why is it that we think ourselves greater than beasts? Because we are 'children of God' or 'the dominant species'? No, it is because we are ignorant and arrogant. We are all in denial that we are animals just because we wear clothing or have 'working' governments. As humans, we are oblivious to our simplicity because of our need for greatness. The desire that burns inside everyone of us unlike anything else.

Then again, there are those that take a more depressing side of the coin. The 'emos' (not insulting, just using as an example). But why? Because they can't live up to society's consistent need for their success. They are overwhelmed with nagging and the world's pestering for them to be better than they actually can. Thus, we have the 'civilized' plan to continue growing, not stopping for anyone who wishes to lag behind for rest or those who realize the truth.

This message is not new, only the words in which it is being said in is. Simplicity, Transcendentalism, all speak of how we and nature must be balanced to survive. Expansion shall be our downfall, and chaos shall be our God.

And to man's purpose, I legitimately have no answer, the same way a tool does not know it's being used; otherwise, it wouldn't be a tool anymore, would it?
Fido
 
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Reply Sun 27 Feb, 2011 07:41 pm
@Banisher,
Survival is the purpose of all life... Everything else just goes about its business...
Banisher
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 09:08 pm
@Fido,
So if survival is the purpose of all life, in which survival do you mean? Of the individual or the species? If it is the species (as most animals are), then there is no worry as long as the species is careful. But we humans plan on living forever, whether it be spiritually or physically or whatever way is possible. I'm not in any way saying you're wrong, just wondering the details.
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Mon 28 Feb, 2011 09:14 pm
@Fido,
The 'purpose' of 'life' if for you to be who you are.

That's how you got started in the first place.
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Fido
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2011 07:33 am
@Banisher,
Banisher wrote:

So if survival is the purpose of all life, in which survival do you mean? Of the individual or the species? If it is the species (as most animals are), then there is no worry as long as the species is careful. But we humans plan on living forever, whether it be spiritually or physically or whatever way is possible. I'm not in any way saying you're wrong, just wondering the details.
We have always survived collectively even while we experience life individually, and it is individually that we pass on our human genes... It is our individualism that is throwing our collective security and survival into doubt... In my opinion...
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2011 07:35 am
@Fido,
Survival is a want, not a need.
Dasein
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2011 08:03 am
@JPLosman0711,
Survival will happen on its own, or it won't. You don't have to do anything about it. There are much more important things than just surviving. Like be-ing alive!!!
Banisher
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2011 11:45 am
@Fido,
If survival is our goal, then why all these pointless things? They will never help us survive. If survival is our purpose, we are a broken tool. If we are a broken tool, then why do we exist?
Fido
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2011 06:09 pm
@JPLosman0711,
JPLosman0711 wrote:

Survival is a want, not a need.
You only say that because at the moment your survival seems certain... As Marx said: as needs become satisfied, wants become needs... Clearly, you want or need for nothing; but were the situation reversed, and you wanted for everything except simple survival, then you would come to doubt even your survival... It is the good question we are being asked in America, when we are so wealthy, and yet everyone is asked by employers and government to work harder for less unless you already have all there is to have, and then you are asked for nothing...People will come in time to doubt that they will reach the end of their lives with a fraction of the rights and property they began with... If poverty does not kill them anxiety will...
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Fido
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2011 06:13 pm
@Dasein,
Dasein wrote:

Survival will happen on its own, or it won't. You don't have to do anything about it. There are much more important things than just surviving. Like be-ing alive!!!
Like Morrison said: The future's uncertain and the end is always near... We cut our future out of the present...And if we do not, then like it or not; we are doomed... It is a problem in this country with so many of us locating our existence outside of our existence, that is: After death, in eternal life; who are willing to live on faith, and guide the course of civil government with magic, prayers and divination... It is more than a problem... It is insanity, and in the name of religious freedom we are letting these idiot kill us...
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Fido
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2011 06:24 pm
@Banisher,
Banisher wrote:

If survival is our goal, then why all these pointless things? They will never help us survive. If survival is our purpose, we are a broken tool. If we are a broken tool, then why do we exist?

Philosophy is one of those useless things done out of pleasure if I understand Aristotle's metaphysics, rather than dire necessity... Yet; this useless thing in itself because it has added to ur knowledge of the physical world has made survival seem certain for many people on earth... It is in moral knowledge that philosophy has failed humanity, and this may be inevitable given the infinite nature of our moral forms... Yet, we may already know eneough if we know to act according to our knowledge of right as we would apply it to loved ones and family... Love thine Neighbor is not law; but simple good sense... Looking for some evidence that God demands this, or reason demands this only provides an excuse for not doing what makes perfect sense on its own by its result... In other words: There is no reason possible to justify moral behavior, except for the argument that moral people and situations seem to result from such trratment... Since we desire it, we should do it if only to better deserve it.
Banisher
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2011 07:03 pm
@Fido,
I don't mean just philosiphy; I mean games, sports, reading, all these things we do.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 1 Mar, 2011 07:45 pm
@Fido,
Everything is "broken" in nature.
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2011 05:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Everything is "broken" in nature.
We do not evolve to nature, but adapt nature to our needs by way of forms... We do not ever reach a state of perfection with our forms, and for this reason we must constantly reform our forms on the basis on new needs and greater understanding, by way of our ideas as forms, which we do regard as some form of perfection.... The greatest impediment to changing the social form of our government is the myth of its perfection... People blinded by their paradigm cannot see beyond what they have to any sort of future.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 2 Mar, 2011 06:01 pm
@Fido,
It doesn't matter how often you reform the forms; it's still a broken system. Perfection is only a human word that doesn't exist in reality.
Fido
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2011 07:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It doesn't matter how often you reform the forms; it's still a broken system. Perfection is only a human word that doesn't exist in reality.
All forms are perfect... I expect it is the way our minds work... The idea of a circle is always a perfect circle unless qualified, and reality, social and physical forms are never perfect... Yet, good enough is good enough, usually... A house as a form of dwelling can be a good dwelling if it is good enough; but at some point, an old house can exceed in cost and aggrevation what a new house would cost... Our forms, our created reality created out of our forms (ideas, concepts, notions), may always fall short of expectation, and yet if it, they give(s) more than it (they)take(s)... Our social forms, and every form of relationship is a social form are supposed to feed life into us for the time we give to them.... How many places in the world do we see people struggling to get out of their social forms all that they put into them... It is possible and I believe it is happening in this country, the U S A; for the failed social form of society to destroy the people... The destruction of Rome, and the failure of Greece were each failures of form... When people cannot see beyond the moment, and can achieve no objective view of their social form and situation they are powerless to act in their own defense... Even when they are so blessed with vision they must still move those mired in reaction or quite content to be on top of a rapidly expanding demise...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 3 Mar, 2011 08:24 am
@Fido,
"Good enough" is never perfect. I also understand we live in an imperfect world, and must accept that our reality is based on accepting all the imperfections of our environment. We can use the word "perfect" in our vocabulary, and most understand the meaning. That music is perfect. That picture is perfect. We accept it at face value, even with our differing, subjective, reality.
 

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