Fido
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 11:16 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

"Good enough" is never perfect. I also understand we live in an imperfect world, and must accept that our reality is based on accepting all the imperfections of our environment. We can use the word "perfect" in our vocabulary, and most understand the meaning. That music is perfect. That picture is perfect. We accept it at face value, even with our differing, subjective, reality.
I do not disagree with you; but as I would tell people involved in my trade, if you cannot be prefect, do not expect perfection... There are no perfect forms, like contracts for example, nor perfect forms of relationship... Let us say two people are disputing over justice... Justice is a perfect form... Though it cannot be defined with any certainty because it is a moral form rather than a physical form, still, justice is thought of as perfect justice... But usually, issues are resolved giving to each the justice they can enforce or reasonably demand... Or the strong take from the weak without regard to justice at all.... My point is, that justice, when it is arrived at is justice for both sides, what both can agree is justice which is enough of justice, and while the thing cannot be reconciled with its form it has the advantage of being a done deal...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 11:23 am
@Fido,
I look at it very differently; to me, justice is as screwed up as everything else man has created. It's because people pay different penalty for the same crime, or that people with money can buy themselves the best defense to fight for a not guilty verdict - which happens too frequently.
Fido
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 11:50 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I look at it very differently; to me, justice is as screwed up as everything else man has created. It's because people pay different penalty for the same crime, or that people with money can buy themselves the best defense to fight for a not guilty verdict - which happens too frequently.
People do not create justice so much as they are created out of the need for it, the having of it, or the want of it...The idea has no relation to reality... There is no physical thing called justice...As an idea, it is a conception formed out of human need... Justice is an element however slight in every human relationship; and when justice is lost, so lost is life... And, while justice and all our moral forms are conceived as perfect, and ideal, and out of our needs; what we settle for we settle for often out of the understanding that we can do no better, and that the need for life as the source of all meaning must be balanced against the need for all that makes life meaning-full...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 12:09 pm
@Fido,
You haven't revealed anything we already know.
Fido
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 04:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You haven't revealed anything we already know.
That would be about impossible... My bag of tricks is older than myself by far...I may do new with knowledge without new knowledge to do new with... I can't say I know anything with more than a slight degree of certainty, so what I do know is only as good as the conclusion I can draw from it... Other people can know... Let them write their books and do their research... I need only the advantage knowledge gives me, and in acting with it, I stand a chance of realizing myself...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 4 Mar, 2011 06:06 pm
@Fido,
That's correct; what "you" can draw from it.
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Scotttttt
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 07:26 pm
@Deftil,
Here's one, There is a magician who can perform 5 simple tricks. He can pull a rabbit out of his hat, he can make a coin disappear, he can change an ace of spades into the 9 of hearts, and he can do two other simple tricks like these. assume the magician is using real magic no tricks. who is more impressive, the magician or Einstein?
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 10:32 pm
@Scotttttt,
Scotttttt wrote:

Here's one, There is a magician who can perform 5 simple tricks. He can pull a rabbit out of his hat, he can make a coin disappear, he can change an ace of spades into the 9 of hearts, and he can do two other simple tricks like these. assume the magician is using real magic no tricks. who is more impressive, the magician or Einstein?
Neither... That one who can imagine the impossible is more impressive than anyone who can not do the impossible or imagine the possible, as Einstein in fact did, except all that nonsense about travelling at the speed of light...-Were it not for the fact that his lessons also apply to travel at sub light speeds, he would take the prize...
sherlockbrain
 
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Reply Mon 21 Mar, 2011 09:18 pm
@Victor Eremita,
Because YOU are a figment of MY imagination!
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 22 Mar, 2011 01:44 am
@Fido,
Hi Fido ! (playing peaky with you for a couple of seconds) Wink

... no one actually can imagine the impossible as I am certain you are obviously aware.
...it is not the case that you can throw nonsense in the face of Einstein interpretation of Time/Space while saying, something or some principle actually apply´s at sub-light speed but that it does n´t when above...where is the above to be ?
...so far I did n´t read anywhere that Einstein believed light speed barrier could be crossed over...
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TheThinker
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 01:56 pm
@CarolA,
'Why are we here?'
In my opinion there is no reason. Except for the fact that we are here to live. We are here to enjoy ourselves and have the maximum amount of fulfilment in life that we can. Enjoying yourself is your purpose. We are born to live and then to die so in those moments that you are living make sure you LIVE to the maximum and don't lead a life that you would regret because you can't change it. Our purpose is to make the right choices for us as individuals and to simply create our own purpose as we see fit. Our purpose is to make our own purpose and to make our own aims and morales and to make our own lives.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2011 03:08 pm
@TheThinker,
oh my dear Thinker...that´s just half of the history... Wink

...we are where for that and all the bad stuff in between that and learning to accept the opposite...

Regards>FILIPE DE ALBUQUERQUE
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taintpetty
 
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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2011 10:58 pm
@TickTockMan,
Nihilism lol
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work
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2011 03:16 pm
@Victor Eremita,
Nothing is something in its self. Only by having nothing can you appreciate the small and grand effect of something. So I believe nothing is very real and most likely more real in its effects unseen than something alone could ever be.


north
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 06:36 pm
@work,
work wrote:

Nothing is something in its self. Only by having nothing can you appreciate the small and grand effect of something. So I believe nothing is very real and most likely more real in its effects unseen than something alone could ever be.



nothing is nothing is nothing

so nothing is psychological then ? ( since you believe that nothing is real )
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 22 May, 2011 10:08 pm
@work,
I guess you already have this nothing that you speak off, is in your head...
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yakmunch
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2011 11:03 am
@Deftil,
why is time now?
thedoctor
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 10:55 am
@Victor Eremita,
Prove to me that you are not figments of my imagination. - Solipsist.

OK.. here it goes. i don't believe you can think of something or someone you have never met. you can think of the idea of a person and characteristics of a person.. even an imaginary person is made up of bits of all the people you know.. so it seems logical to me that i can't imagine these people unless i'm imagining them now after meeting them earlier... so i have at least met "you" that i am THINKING about.. not necessarily imagining.
it's the same reason we can't be in the matrix (stay with me).. if we were we would never have come into contact with the idea of it so we can't conceive it.. unless someone showed it to us before putting us in it.

in Robert M. Martins book - there are two errors in the the title of this book, (remarkably clever) he writes that we can't actually think about santa clause.. he does not exist and we have never met him as a result. you can think of the characteristics of santa or the guy at the mall in a suit or a picture on a soda can but you can't think about santa clause. (i am paraphrasing here but you get the point)

if the quote replaced "figment of my imagination" with "a memory" i feel it would be a more complex puzzle.
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thedoctor
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 11:36 am
@Victor Eremita,
Why is there something rather than nothing? - Heidegger

this question is (practically) impossible to answer because it's (practically) impossible to ask. a question is an uncertainty about a topic presented for the purpose of gaining knowledge about said topic. i feel you need some slight understanding of what you are talking about before you can ask a question about it. in this case it just seems meant to stump people. it's very vague.. where is this something? and i have actually seen nothing in some places.. of course that is only my perception.. it's possible this nothing of mine was a great something to someone else.. if you can honestly and confidently ask this question then you should be able to honestly and confidently defend some aspect of it.. and i have yet to see that happen.
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thedoctor
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jun, 2011 11:45 am
@Deftil,
Can the existence of a god be proven or disproven?

yes it can.. by you asking this question.
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