north
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2010 09:40 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

Quote:
hence my being at the north pole , without clothes , example

I will freeze to death , really I will

arguments against...


That is one hell of an odd way of defending order but still I agree with it... Mr. Green

Brace for Wittgenstein counter... Cool


braced
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Fido
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 06:18 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

No...Order is everything...there´s only one order, one phenomena emanating in the Noumena...from one Truth, through ONE BEING, from which you experience the illusion of Be-Ing...
Fith, belief, and more faith... No science or philosophy here folks...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 07:24 am
@Fido,
Could you explain what would disorder be like? Because I can...Transcendence...which is what, that you don 't have arround...
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 08:44 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

Could you explain what would disorder be like? Because I can...Transcendence...which is what, that you don 't have arround...
I am strange... I see a lot of ignorance in everything we think we know, and a lot of disorder in our sense of order, and a lot of order in disorder.... My guess is, that if you gave a random assortment of persons some random set of objects for which there was no obvious abstract relationship, that most people would try to impose an order of some sort if told that there were a proper order and they would be judged by their ordering... Rather than thinking the world is wrong, and I am right in my ordering and classifying of relationships; I think I should just let it go... Order, disorder... I think I suffer a great deal of too much of the former in my mind, and too little of the later in my life... I could not stand to have my mind as messy as my garage, and I would look at myself as deranged if my garage were as neat as my mind... Not imposing order is as much an ordering of reality as not doing so, but my mind is as ordered as it is only so I can understand other's conceptions of order... It is the price I pay to be social...

So I know what disorder is... It is our common enemy... We cannot master what seems all disorder, just I cannot master my garage... If I got rid of all that did not work and all I had no immediate use for I would have little, and nothing when I needed it... Just as order of thought is a necessity for mental efficiency, my collection of odds and ends is very often the price of progress, so that even disordered junk collections can offer endless entertainment and opportunity...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 11:18 am
@Fido,
Would you agree that although energy can take many forms energy is One ?...
Like a wave who propagates through the sea...and divides itself in many others...
...all the waves in the world are one big non linear wave...
...reason why what you call disorder I call complex non linear order...
I call it order first of all because I believe in Hard Determinism, which in turn means that nothing is Transcendent...it means that the whole of forms in the Universe can propagate they energy to you...their functionality comes and arrives to make your circumstantial function...there´s the best "freedom" we can have shaping our very own unique position...information of the non local past lies in the shapes of our surrounding local present...efficient cause contains final cause...which in turn is not even cause but simultaneity of Being...
...do you get at what I´m at ? (I can respect your view nevertheless...)
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 08:57 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
How the hell would I know the answer to your question... Is energy one??? As far as I can tell all energy is being exhausted just keeping matter apart, but I have no idea of a fraction of the physics that may be at work... Infinties are infinites... You cannot hold them as object so they remain infinite and if it is infinite in a physical sense it is not my problem because it is beyond my conprehension... Look at philosophy as primarily so many moral questions which are so many infinites as well... They difference is that while I cannot say much about an infinite cosmos, I can say something about moral infintes, and that brings them under my control to an extent...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 27 Dec, 2010 10:23 pm
@Fido,
I honestly don´t even get to what are you at with infinity´s being beyond whatever...either you can grasp that which moves although you can´t tell when it stops or if you don´t then you don´t have any infinity´s to talk about...Infinity´s are build upon quantity and not upon quality which renders them "objectifyable"...I guess you know what you´re talking about when speaking of Infinity´s, don´t you ?...perpetual motion fits the bill...not hard...so to say that energy is one is to acknowledge that the origin of this motion allows only one sort of "quality" to prevent operative transcendence and make a circle Infinite to be possible in the first place...such pattern repeatability or loop where the dynamic is perfectly trapped in the boundary´s of a set of transmutable property´s in which operative functions can be established imply´s one common source...point made !
Fido
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 12:36 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Look at the word... It simply means without end, and that can be anything large small or moral that one cannot grasp as an object.... If we cannot define it, it is an infinite, and it may make you feel better to think you have defined it sufficiently to reason with it, or about it; but I do not even bother... I have bigger though not infinite fish to fry, in a manor of speaking...
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ktbrown47
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 03:15 am
@Deftil,
What is there to nothing? How high is up? What is the dawn of night in the light of day? What does (I love you so much ) mean? What is a persons soul?
Fido
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 06:38 am
@ktbrown47,
! nothing much
2 so up it's down
3 evening in twilight
4 usually: I'd like to boink you silly, and then watch tv
5 See one above
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 11:27 am
@ktbrown47,
ktbrown47 wrote:

What is there to nothing? How high is up? What is the dawn of night in the light of day? What does (I love you so much ) mean? What is a persons soul?


1 - What is there to be asked ?
2- How much do you Need ?
3 - The "Shadow" and the "Thing"...or is it the thing in the shadow ?
4 - Does meaning mean to be questioned ?
5 - What do a person personifies ?
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north
 
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Reply Tue 28 Dec, 2010 11:13 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

Could you explain what would disorder be like? Because I can...Transcendence...which is what, that you don 't have arround...


disorder is in the quantum realm

thats the difference between the micro-world and the macro-world

the macro-world is ordered
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JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 01:25 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Be-ing is Be-ing, it is not an illusion.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 04:23 pm
@JPLosman0711,
If my 75 years of life on this planet was an illusion, it sure was a ride of a lifetime!
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 08:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Not only that, but I am inclined to believe it's the only ride.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 08:49 pm
@JPLosman0711,
I believe that too! One and only.
JPLosman0711
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 09:00 pm
@cicerone imposter,
All you can do is 'watch'....
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Dec, 2010 09:38 pm
@JPLosman0711,
I do more than just watch; I travel the world to learn about different cultures, histories, the people, their food and drink, and to meet people.

You can visit my travelogue at travelpod.com. Look for me as c.i.222. I have over 70 travelogues, and have fans from all over the world - including Russia, Peru, Iran, and Oman.
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nic1987
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 02:51 pm
@ariciunervos,
God is not something you can prove or disprove, it`s something you believe with in yourself and if you question that - who are you?
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Wed 12 Jan, 2011 11:36 pm
@nic1987,
The one who questions it...
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