Obviously enough, except to agree, the concept of truth is useless and meaningless.
What else would you do with it?
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"Narrative" also implies the part the observer plays, "..all the World's a stage" etc.
We believe to force the truth to stand still for long enough to discuss.
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The corollary to "all is motion" is that there is no object apart from the motion.
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In that, being is motion.Correctly quoted, "for there is nothing either good or bad... " in view of the full context, Hamlet's point would rather be that the rightness or wrongness (to call Demark a prison, objectively) fails to assuage the ill of it, subjectively.
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perplexity,
Thank you for the correction. All meaning is subjective, so I think that statement would be universal, " For there is nothing either good or bad only thinking makes it so." :cool: Billy Shakespeare. I wonder, is that TRUE!
Those nihilists, what is the meaning of a flower, I say it is not this or that, it just is.
The dictionary says that "brother" means male sibling. Why is that subjective? It is a report, a true report, of what speakers of the language mean by the term, "brother". That report is objectively true.
Kennethamy,
What are you talking about, Brother? Things can be objectively true, but only subjectively known to be true. There is no meaning to the objective/physical world that the subject does not give it.
Hi Boagie,
But it is not the truth if the subject gives the objective/physical world meaning that it does not posses.
I think the problem is all the baggage that has been attached to the words objective and subjective. In common use, even in science, we have been told that a person can be objective in their observations if they are impartial. Whereas, a person is considered to be making a subjective observation if they are showing partiality; like making choices simply as a matter of taste.
The use of subjective observation, because the person making the observation is the subject observing the object which is anything else that is in the world or reality, is correct: but it flies in the face of the common concept of being "objective" in ones observation, to denote one trying to be impartial in ones observations in order to accurately find out the truth of a matter.
I think it is a matter of degree don't you, there can never truely be an objective observation, it is a matter of how invested and in what ways the subject has an interest in the out come. I Hear again Schopenhaur in my ears, subject and object stand or fall together. Any experiment which fails to consider the observing subject as part of the equation, is at least partially a failure. Lack of the proper perception or fantasy, even lieing might be examples, mistakes or deception. Niether perception nor judgement are infalliable. Personification of nature in the literary world, is not deception, it gives the metaphor a wonderfully clear vivid connotation which can overlapp with other concepts, until the physcial world all most becomes a character and main player of any story.
The only way to prove an objectivity is to plant the evidence.
...it is not the truth if the subject gives the objective/physical world meaning that it does not posses.
Objectivity is no relationship, no connection, association or involvement.
A relationship is a connection, association, or involvement.
To connect, associate or involve is to affect, is thus to plant evidence.
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i.e.
What we give to life we give to stitch it up, as if the Universe itself were somehow predisposed to take the blame.
"Observation" infers an act of will.
Except to affect, why do?
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One can not move from indifference to objectivity easily, for objectivity infers a degree of care, that is what distinguishes it from indifference. There is such a creature as indifference, don't confuse it with objectivity, for objectivity depends upon a degree of care not to be indifference.
Objectivity infers belief.
The object is the premise, not the proof.
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Objectivity subtract care= indifference Objectivity you might say infers involvement, in the absence of care it is indifference.
