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Gun safety training for kids

 
 
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:22 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:

I don't know how my brother got dragged into this but I do know that he's willing to die, literally, for people to have the luxury of sitting safely at their computers typing this kind of stuff so I'm going to take a deep breath and call it a night before I get way seriously angry.

Thanks to those of you who sent words of support here and elsewhere. I truly appreciate it.


You brought in your brother to the discussion.
boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:27 pm
@ossobuco,
And he's fascinated with sharks.

So shall I kill off every shark?

Because sharks exist and they're a danger.

They're especially dangerous to those who don't understand them.

(This is my deep breath to prevent me from going absolutely batshit on you.)
boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:28 pm
@ossobuco,
No I didn't. You did.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:46 pm
@ossobuco,
I see many are enraged with me.

I have been qualm'ing for a while about Mo's enthusiasm re his uncle - re becoming an army hero when he grows up.

I'm not anti army, my dad was a command officer/colonel.

Oh, and he was willing to die, rather dramatically as it happened.

Yes, I know your brother is a general, boomer.

I guess I should give up, you will engage your boy in a lot of shooting and so on.

does the kid have any other choice?.

DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:46 pm
@boomerang,
I do have a Harry-Potteresque scar on my forehead due to a mishap with a mailbox....
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:48 pm
@ossobuco,
You're being a complete A-hole, IMO.
maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:54 pm
@DrewDad,
mine too
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:55 pm
@DrewDad,
That's possible I'll consider it tomorrow. Presently, no.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 10:58 pm
@boomerang,
Just from personal experience, any fascination I might have had about being a soldier went south somewhere around the middle of the first week of basic training. Mo's experience might vary, of course. I spent a week at Ft. Knox discovering the virtues of being a garbage man. Glad I hadn't been looking forward to that. It would have been another one of those burst bubbles.

Too bad no one up there is offering courses in plinking. When you hit a tin can, it moves. When you miss, you can still see a little spurt of dust.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 11:07 pm
@roger,
Nods.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 10 May, 2010 11:51 pm
@DrewDad,
why, drew dad? (re me being an asshole)
I am very sympathetic re boomer and family. Do I not get to post my opinions?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 12:01 am
@ossobuco,
you take a very provocative path in your opposition to folks at times, osso.


this might be one of those times...
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 01:08 am
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
I wasn't the one who gave you a zero.

I'll be back on answering you.

I'll put in my on pov reaction, which most of you know ----- we are now arming our nine year olds so they are soothed?
It worked in MY case, except that I armed myself
when I was 8 and I was soothed, Osso;
as well as for most of the kids in my naborhood; never any trouble.
I lived a long life of success and comfort.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 01:10 am
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
Tell me where I am loopy, fm..
Your unreasoning (semi-hysterical?) paranoia of guns, is where u are loopy, Osso.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 01:16 am
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
I guess I should give up, you will engage your boy in a lot of shooting and so on.

does the kid have any other choice?.
Is it being FORCED on him, against his will ??
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 01:43 am
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
Wait..... wait..... hear me out.....

As I've said before, my son, "Mo" (9), is fascinated with guns.

I'm not anti-gun. We own a gun. We take it when we go camping otherwise it stays locked in our firesafe. This isn't going to change.

Recently I learned that Mo's best friend's dad had purchased two new guns. When Mo was invited to their house the other day I kind of flipped out -- I didn't want him to go because I don't know these people's rules about guns. Before I would let him go I had Mr. B talk to the dad about Mo's absolute fascination with guns and how he was not allowed, under any circumstances, to see or handle the guns.

Later, Mr. B cautioned me that we couldn't control the whole world. We live in a place where guns are not uncommon. He's right. I know he's right. That's when I decided I wanted to send Mo to a gun safety class. Mr. B agreed that this was a good idea. We want to make sure he respects what a gun can do. (If you can't beat 'em, educate 'em.)

I googled "gun safety training" and found lots and lots of gun classes in our city. I don't know how one begins to evaluate the programs.

I don't want a class that focus' on "personal safety" -- as in "you're a potential victim and you need to shoot someone".

I don't want something that yammers on about politics or survivalism.

I don't want a class centered on hunting. We don't hunt. When he grows up he can hunt if he wants to.

I do want a class that teaches safety -- one that gives kids a healthy respect for guns, and maybe moves on to skeet or other sport shooting.

Many of the gun clubs and shooting ranges offer private lessons. Would this be a better option than a class?

What age is too young?

Any advice?

Thanks!


boomer, u and Mr. B are absolutely right.
It is unhealthy and unnecessarily dangerous
to cultivate and preserve a mystique around the FORBIDDEN FRUIT of guns.
Mo's curiosity will be satisfied later or sooner;
better that it be under SAFE circumstances.

boomer, u can tell Mo the 2 most important considerations
of safety with guns, yourself right now, to wit:

1. don 't point a gun at anything nor any person that u are not willing to destroy

and

2. the most dangerous mistake that commonly happens,
(including among seasoned, senior law enforcement officers)
is as to automatic pistols (as distinct from revolvers) when the
ammunition magazine has been removed from the handle, u MUST open the breech
to ascertain whether there is a cartridge in the firing chamber.
He must pull back the rackslide and LOOK into the chamber.

It is a terrible error to assume that the chamber is empty
without confirming that by direct observation.

It is a lot safer just to stay with double action revolvers; (their cylinders swing out).
It is pretty obvious, when thay are loaded or not.
The ratio of accidental discharges between automatics and revolvers is HUGE.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 01:57 am
@boomerang,
Something else that is safe and easy
that u can do to relieve Mo 's curiosity
is to get some gun books or gun magazines
(the paper kind for reading, not the metal kind for loading ammo)
to show Mo illustrative pictures, photografs or drawings,
showing the architecture and functioning of different kinds of guns.

Basicly, there are 2 kinds of handguns: revolvers and automatics.

Out of curiosity, what kind do u have?

I bet that your husband can and will have a very enjoyable time
in teaching Mo about the functioning of handguns and shoulder guns.

Remember to warn Mo about recoil: Isaac Newton 's 3rd Law of Motion.
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."
Every gun is a rocket launcher. Every cartridge is a rocket.





David
roger
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 03:28 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I suspect this is all going to happen with a rifle, and likely a single shot. Good precautions, though. Opening the bolt is not enough. You have to look inside.

My preference runs to group classes, but not my call.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 03:41 am
@roger,
roger wrote:
I suspect this is all going to happen with a rifle, and likely a single shot.
Good precautions, though. Opening the bolt is not enough. You have to look inside.

My preference runs to group classes, but not my call.
There might be an automatic in the fire safe.





David
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 11 May, 2010 04:11 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Those were two lessons that were constantly reinforced in my childhood training with guns.I learned them this way

RULE !-NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANYONE, AND ALWAYS BE FULLY AWARE OF THE DIRECTION OF THE BARREL

RULE 2-.ALWAYS ASSUME THE GUN IS LOADED , THUS HARKENING BACK TO RULE 1


Everything else is technique, finesse, developing abilities in marksmanship, and care of the weapon.
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