Illegal Parking In Handicapped Spots

Some people will take a mile when given an inch.

I designed a bunch of parking lots in the Los Angeles area and in northern california over a bunch of years, and some city rules vary, as you said, Ceili - re number of spaces for x amount of footage of a store, re number of trees required, compact spaces required or not, handicap spaces, and so on. I've never run across a rule about parking for mothers and children (whatever they call that).

My own present gripe is that I'd like there to be more corrals for baskets. I hate bringing a basket to a far away corral in high wind.. just when doing that is most important, lest baskets fling themselves across lots.

The mother and children parking thing is not a rule but a company's prerogative. They own the land or lease the lots, they can make their own rules. Handicapped parking is the law.

Not in my state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Handicapped Parking Permits: State Regulations
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Bill: Are you seriously stating private parking lots cannot make their own rules? In most cities Walmart allows campers to park over night, most cities do not allow over night camping but Walmart get's away with it because they own the land.. They own the parking lots they can make the rules. You can be charged with trespassing, parking fines etc. on private property. I don't think Florida is above these laws.

Victor: as I've stated... Handicapped parking is the law. Different states/provinces et al may differ but essentially they must provide this service or face fines.

What your strange problem?

Handicapped parking is a legal requirement for Walmart parking lots and in my state so is having child parking places at Walmarts.

They are one and the same under my state laws and if you would like I will cheerfully post the law in question.

Seem a simple concept for anyone to understand.

Read my posts again. If that's possible...
I'm not disputing handicapped parking laws, they are pretty much the same across n. america. I'm talking about courtesy parking, I can't help if you're to thick to read what I've written. If you park in a spot saved for mom and tots and your car is towed, it's pretty much your fault and this is at the discretion of the owners/lessors of the parking lot. They can have you fined et al. If Florida has made this law, good for them. Most states and provinces haven't passed this into law, but all the power to them when or if they do. Now go whine at someone else.

By the by, I find it interesting kids can park at Walmart in Florida. Do they also give them driver's licenses too? lol

It is clearly not at the discretion of the parking lot owners either for handicapped parking or child/mother parking spaces.

You can not be that stupid now can you?

What is so hard about understanding that laws vary in different jurisdictions? Ceili does not live in Florida. Neither do I.

By the way, you misread my earlier post, re people having not visible handicaps, and I didn't bother to reply.

I am well aware that laws can vary and I been constantly stating that in my state not all states.

However I question if the lady know her own state law one way or another on the subject however not knowing her state I can not check.

Listen Stupid. Handicapped parking is the law. How much clearer can I be. Mom and tots parking is not, at least in the vast majority of jurisdictions. You still have yet to prove it's law in florida.
I'm so tired of having conversations with you. Go beat your head against a thick wall, see how you like it.

Give me the state you live in dear and I will give you the law in both states.

I don't live in a state.

You live in never never land?
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Sec. 30-450. Penalty for misuse of specially marked parking spaces.

It is unlawful for any person to stop, stand, or park a vehicle within any parking space designated for persons transporting young children and strollers, unless such vehicle displays a parking permit decal issued pursuant to administrative order, and such vehicle is transporting a child aged two (2) years or less; provided, however, physically handicapped and/or disabled persons displaying a valid handicapped parking permit shall be permitted to utilize parking spaces designated for persons transporting young children and strollers. Whenever a law enforcement officer or a parking enforcement specialist finds a vehicle in violation of this section, that officer or enforcement specialist shall:

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(2) Charge the motor vehicle owner in violation with a noncriminal traffic infraction.

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(b) Violators of this article shall be punished by [[a mandatory fine of one hundred fifty dollars ($150.00). A motor vehicle owner who is guilty of repeat violations of this article may be punished by a fine not to exceed two hundred fifty dollars ($250.00)]] >>the maximum fine for a non-moving violation pursuant to Chapter 318, Florida Statutes.<<

yeah, Canada's neverland.

Pretty much what I said. The parking lot owners can designate parking however they see fit. It is not the law to designate these courtesy spots however. It's up to the owners discretion. They can have your car towed or fined. Similar to trespassing. Nuff said.

Bullshit would you also care for me to give you the zoning laws that required such spaces also?

First you had claimed that I was free to park there all I desire as the signs had no force of law and now you are claiming it is not a zoning requirement that such stores as Walmart have such spaces? That they are providing them of their own free will?

You happen to be wrong in both counts the businesses such as Walmart had not choice but to provide those spaces and any driver who park in them will be fine just the same as in a Handicapped parking space.

The fine is somewhat less but that is the only different I can see between the two spaces.

So once more I had proven you wrong and I am right for my area at least and I would not be surprise this is mainly the situation nationwide.

Businesses unless they enjoy paying fines had no choice in the matter either.

Side note is not the internet wonderful in it ability to get the facts?
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2. Fines resulting from failure of commercial establishments to provide required parking
spaces for persons transporting young children and baby strollers will be designated
to the General Fund for disbursement to the Office of Neighborhood Compliance
which conducts the enforcement function. Fines from citations for unauthorized use
for these parking spaces will be designated for the enforcing agency, County Clerk or
Office of Neighborhood Compliance.