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Is Evolution a Dangerous Idea? If so, why?

 
 
Jasper10
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2021 12:36 pm
@farmerman,
You hope.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2021 03:26 pm
@Jasper10,
no hope, just learn more. Whats your way?
knaivete
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jan, 2021 09:29 pm
@Jasper10,
Noah and his sons Ham, Jasper, Moe, Larry and Shemp must have been pretty busy wranglin all the dinosaurs n such with only a chair, whip and pistol. Tell us all about the ark.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 01:41 am
@farmerman,
I learn...I learn a lot.

There are buyers and there are sellers of the HOPE product.There are two different brands.

Surely people have a choice as to which product they buy?

Are you claiming in your sales pitch that we are all nothing more than a rotting piece of meat?
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 02:01 am
@knaivete,
Read what the answers in Genesis scientist say about the ark and the animals including dinosaurs it’s interesting.

Also,one can choose to believe the HOPEFUL negative nihilists views that good is bad and bad is good therefore there are no rules/morals and there ain’t no God....however one might consider the HOPEFUL positive nihilists views that as good is good and bad is bad there are rules/morals and there is a God.Best to keep the balance don’t you think bearing in mind all anyone has is HOPE.

Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 02:38 am
@Jasper10,
Remember the 2 off HOPEFUL reasoning formulas:

A. (0,1) ; (1,0) ...Negative Nihilism.

and

B.(0,0) ; (0,1) ; (1,0) ; (1,1) ....Positive Nihilism.

They both cancel out.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 06:36 am
@Jasper10,
aybe the usw of the term "pseudoscience" is a bit man spirited but its correct when you talk about "Answers in Genesis"
Heres a Wikipedia entry and I need say nothing more than to note how all of the major scientific organizations find "AIG" an organization that is based only on the inerrancy of Genesis, nothing more. Theres really no valid resarch being suppoted by AIG, theyre out looking for the "Ark" or trying to disposses science of the evolution oh hominims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answers_in_Genesis
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 08:38 am
@Jasper10,
Some people argue that it’s about proving whether God exists or not.Knowing definitively whether God exists or not doesn’t help anyone hence why definitive proof is a “red herring”.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 12:00 pm
@Jasper10,
you still seem hung up on "definite proof" .There is no such thing, all science conclusions are loosely held in the possibility that other evidence will modify or change our theories.
It seems that "Creationism" has no such option.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 12:01 pm
@Jasper10,
Quote:
Remember the 2 off HOPEFUL reasoning formulas:

A. (0,1) ; (1,0) ...Negative Nihilism.

and

B.(0,0) ; (0,1) ; (1,0) ; (1,1) ....Positive Nihilism.

They both cancel out.
Sort of like your worldview
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 12:09 pm
@Jasper10,
If the ARK experience shows humans and dinosaurs living together,Why is it that NO fossils of humans or even apes occur in the same stratigraphic levels as dinosaurs?? Do you even understand the conflict that this imposes on your world ?

Surely you have an explanation that involves something evidentiary ,NO?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 12:14 pm
@farmerman,
In case you dint wanna read the entire expose about Creation "science", this Wiki i the introuction to your belief system.
Quote:

Answers in Genesis (AiG) is an American fundamentalist Christian apologetics parachurch organization. It advocates Young Earth creationism on the basis of its literal, historical-grammatical interpretation of the Book of Genesis and the Bible as a whole. Out of belief in biblical inerrancy, it rejects the results of those scientific investigations that contradict their view of the Genesis creation narrative and instead supports pseudoscientific creation science. The organization sees evolution as incompatible with the Bible and believes anything other than the young Earth view is a compromise on the principle of biblical inerrancy.
In other words you believe that GENESIS is a scientific FACT and not a mythical moral tale.
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Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 12:43 pm
@farmerman,
Well positive nihilism is a bit of a challenge.It definitely has the potential to undo some people’s established ideas doesn’t it.Super-impose the rest of the formula over the top of the good is bad/ bad is good logic and free will appears after all.

The claim of a catastrophic global flood fits all the evidence out there.Let the kids read up on this for themselves on the answers in Genesis web site.

Hey it’s just another view......chill...
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 01:24 pm
@farmerman,
I know no definite carnal proof will be given...I am not hung up on anything.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 04:16 pm
@Jasper10,
Quote:

The claim of a catastrophic global flood fits all the evidence out there
You cannot post one piece of such evidence .Ive asked you several times and all youre good for is to state that such evidence exists. Well if it exists do you know what it is? Can you present me a wee smidgen of it? Or are you just going to keep riding your fact-free claim that derides all of modern geologic science.?

Its interesting that, if you look back on the history of evolutionary sciences in the US, it initially involved the state education boards keeping the concept of evolution from being taught in the schools. In several states including Pennsylvania, it was a crime. (Parochial schools actually had become more scientifically literate than public schools late into the 20th century, Even Pope John 23 stated that "the scientific evidence for a Creation and evolution of life on earth is overwhelming ").

Later, the various anti-evolution laws were defeated by votes in legislatures so the Creationists (and later the IDers) , beginning in the 1950s challenged the states and US Constitution by demanding to have "Creationism" taught on a level scale as a science. Had they just settled to teach Creationsim in religion class where it belonged, there would never have been these "culture wars".

Be careful what youve wished for.
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 04:34 pm
@farmerman,
Marine fossils found high up on mountains...what fairy stories are you going to tell the kids on that one?
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 04:42 pm
@Jasper10,
You realize the process of continental drift and mountain building. Oceanic plates can and do move sideways and ride over younger different types o sedimentary rocks. The Himalayas are a perfect example where the upper layers of Indian Basin rocks (marine sediments) lie atop rocks of terrestrial and metamorphic origins.
We have drilling and radio-logical dates for that.(The Himalayas an Alps an Apennines have always been examples for uch tectonics.

It dosnt much occur in the US Coastal or Klamath or Sierras because the faulting zones are moving tranverse to each other.

That was a beginning Freshman question you can do better cant you?
Jasper10
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 04:51 pm
@farmerman,
The slight problem you have is that you can’t prove it though ..it is just an interpretation of evidence.These fossils and the fossils in the top layers of the Grand Canyon for example could equally have arrived there due to a global flood.Prove definitively that this is not the case.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 08:33 pm
@Jasper10,
well, people have invested money to acquire the goods that occur in the upper sequences that are below the marine sediments of the Himalaya nappe. Then to have the radio isotopic data confirm the ages and LIDAR mapping able to show the topographic positioning of the layering.
You wont win any arguments by mere denial of the evidence. When the evidence is overwhelming I could say that my interpretation is proven and yours is childish twaddle
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2021 08:36 pm
@Jasper10,
Which Formations of th Grand Canyon would you like to learn about. There are several layers in the sequence that are actually sand dune sequences and . Name the Formation sequences you think prov your case
 

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