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Is Evolution a Dangerous Idea? If so, why?

 
 
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 05:51 am
@Xenoche,
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Don't I feel witty...
???? Are you allright ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 05:54 am
@spendius,
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Don’t talk to aliens, warns Stephen Hawking

He's not getting paid enough lately and wants to sell some stories.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 03:34 pm
@Ionus,
His last book, "The Greatest Show on Earth" hasnt been a great seller because its based upon total evidence and biological science. People are so expecting that RD would be writing more"from the hip" than from his head that they no longer read his scholarly stuff. Too bad cause it was a good summary of what we know about the evolution of species from looking at the species themselves
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 05:46 pm
@Ionus,
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a new documentary series in which Hawking, one of the world’s leading scientists,


There you go Io. One of the world's leading scientists.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 05:50 pm
@farmerman,
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Too bad cause it was a good summary of what we know about the evolution of species from looking at the species themselves


Don't look to closely fm. It's not very nice. Stay with the euphemisms and the pretty long words.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 05:58 pm
@farmerman,
OOPS, my bad. Here I thought Anus was talking about Dawkins and nit Hawking .
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 06:02 pm
@spendius,
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One of the world's leading scientists.
Isnt that an oxymoron ? Doesnt the term science exclude individual glory and emphasise collective effort and peer review ? The greater good of a search for knowledge ?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 29 Apr, 2010 06:04 pm
@farmerman,
Not a problem Gomer. Your post had enough stand alone stuff.
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Xenoche
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 04:22 pm
@ Ionus

No, I am a dumb mother f*cker (literally).

@Spendius

I haven't evolved, I havent matured , if I had I wouldnt feel so stupid all the time having not yet learned to stay away from these forums, still toilin' ova the same bs ... Me obsessive? sex-mad followers?

Nevermind...
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 05:04 pm
@Xenoche,
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Me obsessive? sex-mad followers?


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Vomiting, diarrhoea and blow jobs squeezed into a short ejaculation is a bit obsessive I should have thought.


That looks obsessive to me. And now you're on bullshit.

Xenoche
 
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Reply Fri 30 Apr, 2010 09:42 pm
@spendius,
Is it really that obsessive?

Bullshit's subjective
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Chights47
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 04:05 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Evolution is the study of how life has changed and is changing, from the time it first appeared, to the present. There are some who consider the acceptance of the science as too dangerous for the world, because of conclusions that can be made by inference. I maintain that since evolution has been with us the whole of our history, understanding it can only be a plus. I am opening this thread for the ant-evolutionists to give us some good reasons for their stand. I will try to respond in that I am able. I am no scientist. In fact, I did not graduate the tenth grade.


"Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man." Bertrand Russell

I do believe that it should be taught to our children, not young children though, but to young adults (as in a highschool subject). I personally feel that it should be taught to younger children...but I highly doubt that would be remotely possible in a general sense...you gotta aim for what's attainable first. Too many fanatical parents trying to ruin everything and blind their children to the world. Evolution is simply a scientific explaination of how life started and the process afterwards thus ending up (as of now at least) with us (humans). Theories and ideas are only as dangerous as the words that explain them, and words only have power if you believe in them.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 04:08 pm
@Chights47,
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Evolution is simply a scientific explaination of how life started
Its the theory of the continuing development, not the start of, life
panzade
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 04:26 pm
@farmerman,
Darwin knew better than to expound on the beginnings of life. He knew people were very touchy about the subject.
He knew he didn't have the scientific knowledge to perform experiments that would explain how life started.
And he felt that the issue of the beginning of life wasn't relevant to his theories on evolution.
Chights47
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 04:29 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

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Evolution is simply a scientific explaination of how life started
Its the theory of the continuing development, not the start of, life


Yeah I know, I do this in my off time at work so sometimes I don't explain myself properly, sorry for the confusion. I meant "start of life" as in the explaination of how humans came to be.
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Chights47
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 04:33 pm
@panzade,
panzade wrote:

Darwin knew better than to expound on the beginnings of life. He knew people were very touchy about the subject.
He knew he didn't have the scientific knowledge to perform experiments that would explain how life started.
And he felt that the issue of the beginning of life wasn't relevant to his theories on evolution.


Yeah, there's no way that we could know the specific conditions of this planet when life started, much less replicate it for experimentation purposes. We could speculate the issue, but that's about it.
panzade
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 04:40 pm
@Chights47,
Even Darwin speculated privately on the issue. I found this pretty interesting:

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In a private letter to Joseph Hooker in 1871 (cited in Fortey 1998, according to various internet postings):

"It is often said that all the conditions for the first production of a living organism are now present, which could ever have been present. But if (and oh! what a big if!) we could conceive in some warm little pond, with all sorts of ammonia and phosphoric salts, light, heat, electricity, &c., present, that a proteine (sic) compound was chemically formed ready to undergo still more complex changes, at the present day such matter would be instantly absorbed, which would not have been the case before living creatures were found."

Here Darwin is making up a hypothetical scenario for the purpose of a different argument. People had argued that if life could form spontaneously, then we should see it happening today, too. Darwin is simply pointing out that even if life were forming spontaneously today, any such proto-life form would immediately be eaten or absorbed by some more developed, modern living thing, and we would never see it. This would not have been a problem the very first time a self-replicating compound was formed. So this argument against the "warm little pond" origin story is not convincing. But his caveat ("and oh! what a big if!") suggests that he does not take this scenario very seriously.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 04:51 pm
@panzade,
Darwin pussied around with his "warm little pond" idea and its amazing that, almoist 200 years later , we still pussy around with some of the same ideas.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 06:30 pm
@farmerman,
So when was evolution created ?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 06:59 pm
"When I told the people of Northern Ireland that I was an atheist, a woman in the audience stood up and said, "Yes, but is it the God of the Catholics or the God of the Protestants in whom you don't believe?" -- Quentin Crisp
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