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How/why did bread and milk become "evil" foods?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 17 Feb, 2014 12:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
gotta run but here is food for thought

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An exoneration of dietary cholesterol raises the question: what was the basis for implicating dietary cholesterol as a CVD risk factor in the first place? The answer highlights important distinctions between the modern and Stone Age food supplies. In a modern context, cholesterol and other dietary factors likely to influence both serum lipids and the risk of coronary disease, salient among them saturated fat, tend to covary. Both cholesterol and saturated fat are found in dairy products and processed foods containing them and in meat. Eggs and seafood, sources of cholesterol but not of considerable amounts of saturated fat, are smaller contributors to the typical modern diet. The linkage of specific foods with CVD risk in the absence of the total diet context is problematic. For example, the impact of dietary cholesterol on serum lipid levels is reduced when saturated fatty acid intake is low (11).

In the Stone Age context, dietary cholesterol was more reliably distinct from saturated fat. Dairy was not consumed until the advent of agriculture, ∼12,000 y ago, and was not consumed by many cultures for millennia thereafter. Humans likely adapted to an intake of dietary cholesterol unencumbered by adverse associations and then encountered such associations only in a modern context. Dietary cholesterol was then likely indicted by association.

A growing body of literature
A growing body of epidemiological research questions the association between dietary cholesterol and serum lipids, when account is adequately taken of other dietary variables (11, 12). More important still are prospective, population-based studies that, when similarly scrupulous about variation in other dietary components, find no association between cholesterol intake in general, or egg intake in particular, and the risk of CVD (13).

Recent reports derived from clinical interventions established that increases in cholesterol intake result in increases in both LDL-C and HDL-C in those subjects who respond to dietary cholesterol challenges (∼25% of the population), whether they are children (14), young adults (15), or elderly individuals (16). Further, there are specific circumstances in which dietary cholesterol results in increases in only HDL-C, whereas no increases in LDL-C are observed, as is the case with weight loss interventions (11, 17), intake of only 1 egg per day (3), or other factors (18). Recent findings on lipoprotein responses to dietary cholesterol challenges in a variety of populations are summarized in Table 2.

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Table 2.
Changes in LDL-C, HDL-C, and LDL-C/HDL-C ratio after a cholesterol challenge1

Egg intake also has resulted in the formation of fewer atherogenic lipoproteins including increases in large LDL (15, 19) and large HDL particles (20). It is well-known that small LDL particles become more readily oxidized and can more easily penetrate the arterial wall where they are taken up by macrophages, leading to the formation of foam cells and the initiation of the atherosclerotic process (21). Large HDL particles are associated with increased reverse cholesterol transport (22). Thus, the generation of these lipoprotein particles (large LDL and large HDL particles) by egg intake suggests increased protection against atherosclerosis.

Further, the Lipid Research Clinics Prevalence Follow-up Study (23), which examined both men and women (N = 4546) reported no important relationships between CHD deaths and dietary cholesterol intake. Several other studies (24–26) also failed to find an association between CHD incidence and egg intake, and recent reports indicated a lack of correlation between egg intake and risk of CHD or stroke (27, 28)

http://advances.nutrition.org/content/3/5/711.full
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anonymously99
 
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Mon 17 Feb, 2014 12:54 pm
@boomerang,
Quote:
How/why did bread and milk become "evil" foods?


It must be a weight thing.
boomerang
 
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Mon 17 Feb, 2014 12:58 pm
@anonymously99,
You must not follow the news or even have read this thread repeating the news.
anonymously99
 
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Mon 17 Feb, 2014 03:50 pm
@boomerang,
It's difficult to focus. I don't want a bigger headache right now.
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AndrewFerrol
 
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Fri 21 Mar, 2014 08:28 pm
I have them every morning for my breakfast paired with fried fresh egg and hotdogs..
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neko nomad
 
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Fri 21 Mar, 2014 08:50 pm
Anyone here remember seeing this poster at
their neighborhood grocery store?

http://www.ourarchives.wikispaces.net/file/view/21046_2010_001_PR.jpg/241837023/400x502/21046_2010_001_PR.jpg

My first exposure to nutrition guidelines as a school age kid.
ossobuco
 
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Fri 21 Mar, 2014 09:22 pm
I'll reread this thread, as I probably posted before, but not rereading it tonight.

Meantime, I've advanced a step in my sloppy way to breadmaking.
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roger
 
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Fri 21 Mar, 2014 09:55 pm
@neko nomad,
No, but tell me this: is a sweet potato a yellow vegetable, or just another potato that happens to be orange.
InfraBlue
 
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Sun 23 Mar, 2014 11:32 pm
@roger,
The sweet potato is not really a potato, and is not a part of the nightshade family.
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Shawn909
 
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Fri 4 Apr, 2014 01:23 pm
@George,
I have learned to cut down on my intake of both of them. I know drink almond milk and only have bread once in a while.
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mismi
 
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Mon 28 Jul, 2014 06:53 am
@Setanta,
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So, i wonder, did children who were "lactose intolerant" or allergic to gluten simply die in childhood in centureis gone by?


My cousin and his family lived in Mongolia for years. He was an ESL teacher there. His little girl had so many illnesses. Stomach aches, hair and teeth falling out, she was not thriving at all. Found out through a tick bite when they had to go to Thailand because she got Lyme disease, that she had celiac disease.

So essentially she was starving to death because the bread they were eating caused the cilia in her intestines to die, or something like that and she was not absorbing nutrients.

So yeah - the kids back in the day that had that problem probably starved to death without their parents even knowing that was the problem. They were eating - but their body was not processing correctly because of the allergy.
mismi
 
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Mon 28 Jul, 2014 06:56 am
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I, too, wonder about the gluten and lactose allergies of people these days. Certainly for most of the history of Europeans (in which i include the "white" residents of North and South America) bread and dairy products have played are large part in their diets. The French revolution was set in train by a failure of the wheat crop due to bad weather in northern France in 1788, followed by hoarding of grain and flour by speculators. The Corn Laws of England effectively destroyed the agricultural laboring class, who could no longer afford their daily bread


You just totally repeated a paragraph Set wrote years ago. How bizarre.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 28 Jul, 2014 10:38 am
@mismi,
So now the question becomes what proportion of the population such children represented. Thanks for that information, Miss Mi.
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plainoldme
 
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Wed 30 Jul, 2014 12:18 am
@mismi,
William and Mary Wordsworth had a child who died at age 5. From the descriptions of the child's illness, and your question, I wonder now if she had a condition like Celiac disease.
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Miller
 
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Sun 13 Dec, 2015 06:19 pm
@aidan,
aidan wrote:

What do they advise people to drink instead of milk- in order to get their calcium, vitamin D and protein?



1% milk is suggested in place of whole milk because of reduced fat and reduced calories ( whole has about 150 calories/glass and 1% has about 80-100 calories/glass.

I enjoy 1% milk, but I've noticed that it tends to turn sour faster than whole milk.
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Miller
 
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Sun 13 Dec, 2015 06:21 pm
@chai2,
Another quick source of calcium is Tums.
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Lash
 
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Sun 13 Dec, 2015 06:43 pm
@mismi,
This happened to me, but the culprit was finally fructose malabsorption.

So, started with dairy product allergy, progressed to gluten sensitivity, now fructose.

I'm running out of food and drink. My body couldn't absorb nutrients and i was on the verge of passing out all the time.

Now, I'm just hungry.
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Triesch62
 
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Thu 31 Dec, 2015 05:57 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
If you listened to all advice about good and bad food you would not eat anything. All foods are fine. Just eat everything in moderation. Bread and milk is very healthy so just ignore anyone who says otherwise
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 31 Dec, 2015 06:03 pm
@Triesch62,
Of all the reports on good and bad food, there are so many reversals of opinion, it's not worth trying to keep track. As Triesch62 said, 'moderation' is the key. Look at Anthony Bordain; the guy eats almost everything, and he looks pretty healthy - and happy in his quest for all different kinds of food to eat.
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ossobuco
 
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Thu 31 Dec, 2015 07:03 pm
I didn't follow the gradation over years, Boomer, smarter if

To me, some may promote up in the glass case, but by now, it turned to be loal..
I doubt a lot;thing
 

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