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More Bush Lies... Point by Point (with links)

 
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2003 09:49 am
Heywood - Sorry you missed my point, but since you did, I'll make like Ricky and 'splain it for you. Very Happy

My point wasn't whether we could do without something, but that the argument "we shouldn't be doing X because of all the things we could fix if we didn't do X" is a stupid, illogical argument. It begins by assuming X is not something we should do, when that is the point it is supposed to prove. You can't prove something by first asserting that it is true. I just put desirable activities in the mix to point out the illogic. It's a flawed argument. I just took it to its logical extreme. We'd all like to feed the starving, but we recognize that we can't stop doing everything else just because we agree that starving is bad, and showing that we could spend the money differently on something desirable does not prove that the current use is unnecessary or undesirable.

So that list proves nothing and only appeals to people who prefer to feel and not to think.
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2003 07:54 pm
Re: Rebuttal to the tyranny of liberalism
whatis1029 wrote:
> American soldiers have died

It's a war. People die; it's certainly unfortunate. The objective is to minimize one's own losses while achieving one's goals.

facts:
- The geographic region formerly known Iraq is less of a threat now than it was before the cobbering.
- To expect zero casualties is delusional.
- America, as a national entity, is obligated to protect it's citizens before being concerned for the welfare of foreiners.


> faces and names of our relatives and friends who have died fighting. May they R.I.P

May God have mercy on their souls.

facts:
- American freedom has traditionally been won in the blood of patriots.


> Between 7,768 and 9,578 Iraqi citizens have been killed

War can be messy. It is unfortunate when innocent people die. To avoid war because there is a risk of innocent people dying is immature. I take issue with implication of the word "citizens". An armed citizen shooting at American soldiers is not an innocent bystander. Were not slain Iraqui soldiers citizens?

facts:
- Iraqui soldiers are Iraqui citizens
- The American military, more so than any other nation, strives to avoid killing non-combatants


> The other side of "Shock and Awe". Warning: graphic images


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This outrage is misplaced given this:

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> The administration knew

facts:
- [cia] intelligence is not derived from omniscience
- it's easy to pick out failures in intelligence after the fact


> constant talk of WMD has turned up nothing thus far

Ahhh, counting errors. I hate liberalism.

facts:
- there have been WMD in Iraq
- Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people
- there are mass grave of Iraquis prior the shock and thumping
- WMD includes multiple kinds of weapons, hence the plurality of the acronym


> a link between 9-11 and Iraq.

facts:
- countries fond of terrorists are likely to harbor terrorists
- countries that harbor one clan or terrorists are likely to harbor other clans without issue
- countries who hate america are likely friendly with other countries who hate america
- countries run by meniacle, lunatic tyrants are a danger to american citizens


> After the pledge that finding Osama was a top priority

Those who are of great threat to americans will be pursued. Those whose danger diminishes will be given lesser priority.


> We never had any evidence that he had acquired a nuclear weapon

John grows watermellons in his yard. John has never bought watermellons. Nonetheless, John is likely to have watermellons

> Without any competition, Halliburton gets the multi-million dollar contract

Please name a HANDFUL of companies CAPABLE of the scale required of Haliburton...


> Exactly what is the "Patriot Act"

A misnomer.


> Take a closer look at what money spent on war could have provided for America.

Take a look at what could have been avoided had a certain administration not allocated monies originally dedicated to national security and military spending to obviously less valuable programs. The very same administration that failed to uphold it's promise to get those responsible -- failed to pursue after SEVERAL DOZEN acts of terrorism:

http://www.september-11th.us/firstplane.jpg

http://www.september-11th.us/Pictures-Stories.html
http://www.11-sept.org/
http://www.9-11heroes.us/victims-flight-pentagon.php
http://www.13weeks.org/
http://www.cantcryhardenough.com/


> Its time to wake up America.

Yes. Stand up against those who would undermine America's right to national sovereignty by submitting to the foolish will of the United Nations -- an oraganization favored by Alger Hiss.


Ha!
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